SC 6000's discontinued?

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The paradox is that Hercules was really a pioneer (no pun intended) because they were the ones who “invented” the first real “controller” with the very first “DJ Console”.

Okay, it was rudimentary, it was ugly, of questionable quality and it looked more like a toy than anything else, but it’s because they released this thing that all the other manufacturers started making controllers that became more and more professional over time.

Reloop, Roland, Denon, Pioneer, NI, Numark, everyone got into it.

Virtual DJ is a textbook case in terms of brand image.

  • They were the pioneers and the software evolved along with the technology,

  • One of its main strengths and also its main weakness: the skinable/customizable side gives it this very amateur side (it is true that some skins seem really drawn with paint and still seem today straight out of 2002)

  • Virtual DJ is perceived as a real geek thing with its fully scriptable side that allows you to do absolutely what you want

Serato immediately seemed much more professional in comparison, for the simple reason that it was much more limited but refined and therefore easy to use (even if personally I always found the graphical interface of Serato absolutely horrible)

The worst is that even using Djay Pro, which is nevertheless basically a simple mobile application, makes you more credible than if you say that you use Virtual DJ. Which when you think about it is still pretty crazy.

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From what I see on here though most people using SC5000/6000 players have them at home. People didn’t “change their rider” and Denon gear isn’t anywhere near being standard in clubs.

In fact in my city there are now very few places with dedicated gear as they are happy for the DJ to take their own solution with them, and that is pretty much an all in one controller generally with a laptop.

I’d rather they put future development in to specifically the Prime Go+ (as it’s a little gem of a machine) and the Prime 4+ as it does all the bells and whistles.

Also as we know (not going over old ground again) but Engine needs some long standing feature requests implemented too.

I just don’t see the point in continuing down the modular route when it has ended up being such a niche product in reality, and used more to display at home than working in clubs.

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Not arguing, just sharing something I saw today :smiling_face:

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I follow him on Insta and was super stoked he was repping the Prime’s.

Great DJ from back in the day and still going strong.

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His remix of Sometimes by Erasure is proper bangin!

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The interest is double

  • Do not leave Pioneer DJ/AT alone in this segment free of any competition and in a total monopoly position. The absence of competition is never a good thing for the end consumer. Not only does competition push innovation and competition but it prevents industry players from doing what they want in terms of pricing policy.

Already with a competitor such as Denon, Pioneer allows itself to practice exorbitant prices with very little innovation under the pretext that they are “the industry standard”, so I let you imagine if they were totally alone and free on this market. If Denon Dj was not there to pull the competition we would still be in the era of the CDJ 2000 NXS2

  • Remain a credible player and make people dream: The flagships are for any company, a technological showcase, a demonstration of their know-how, their expertise, this contributes to maintaining a high brand image.

In the case of the DJ industry, Pioneer has bet enormously on this strategy for their communication. Push the promotion of their flagships, whether in festivals, clubs, trade shows, events, everywhere where it is possible to promote them.

Why? Because it allows people to dream of a product that will most of the time be inaccessible to them. They see great DJs using them, and it imprints their brain. They also imagine themselves in the place of these great DJs and it arouses vocations.

And since the general public does not have the financial means to pay for a pair of CDJ3000 with an A9 and even less a V10, they fall back on more accessible ranges coming from the same manufacturer.

The idea is that the consumer says to himself “oh look at this DDJ GRV6 or this FLX 10, or this XDJ AZ it takes up the ergonomics of these CDJ 3000 and this A9 that I will never be able to afford and that make me dream so much”

And suddenly the flagships pull the sales of all the rest of the product range below.

Pioneer DJ / AT perfectly assume this positioning at a high price because for them a CDJ3000 / A9 setup is not intended for the general public, it is intended for professionals, clubs, festivals. So it must be expensive, and inaccessible for the general public.

For the general public there are other perfectly segmented products in the inferior ranges. That’s why the range is so wide.

And you know what? It’s a strategy that works perfectly and allows Pioneer to sell its products by pallets.

It’s like Porsche, few people can afford a GT3 RS, but it makes a lot of people dream, and it allows to pull the sales of all the inferior ranges.

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Well, in my opinion the same thing happens between Pioneer and Denon. Apart from the overpricing issue, Pioneer has a limited feature set, but it feels refined. Denon prioritizes the bells and whistles, but feels rough on some edges. For example that re-locate issue sure doesn’t make any friends: it took ages before it was implemented, and now InMusic feels it is implemented, but we all agree there is still there a lot to desire.

Apart from that there are a lot of DJs looking over my shoulders, and drooling over the twin layer function on the SC6000 :wink:

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Not to mention the Sync Manager, which I can’t get to work properly at all. And neither can anyone else it seems.

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I only sync PC → external media, but it works nicelly for me, no problems at all

But yes, I’m aware some have problems

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Yes it does. That’s why I decided to do it the alternative way and have all the music files on the external drive and have the DB built on the same media. Would be nice to use it the traditional way from the main PC collection with backward and forward sync but it clearly doesn’t work.

The anology above is correct. Pioneer have less bells and whistles but a more complete stable OS. Denon has lots of features but Engine is not complete and some of it doesn’t even work properly.

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Then there’s this :man_shrugging:t2:

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Well nice pictures guys, but I still have to encounter an event with a SC6000 that is not mine :wink: You can’t rent it anywhere in my area…

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Same here. In all my going about I’ve seen a couple of Prime 4 units and that’s it. I’ve never seen a SC player or an X1800/1850 in the flesh.

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I seen them on Intense festival and Essentials festival on stage. Some smaller events in Belgium and Germany (Essen, Dusseldorf, Aachen).

Seen also some minor events with Denon dj gear. In my area there are SC6000’s available for rental. Not many, but they have it.

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Same here in Germany, 200km in the South-west. #netthier

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I seen also Hi-Lo is playing using Denon dj (Ultra music festival and Tomorrowland for example).

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He used to play with Denon but no longer does.

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I am not surprised they are discontinued they are shite and in - music knows this.

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lol :joy: n wow so much negativity here! Why? You get what you ask for, and in my personal experience InMusic are quite helpful actually.

However the SC6000 to my knowledge is still being sold and produced. However the lack of stock, never indicates that a unit is longer being produced.

Try get yourself a set of CDJ3000’s! you cant, on back order of about 18 Months lol :joy:

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