So I received a text from a DJ friend of mine that said:
“Ok little inside info on the Denon SC 6000’s. They are discontinued from what my rep is telling me. He’s saying they’re not even dropping to retailers or whole sale dealers so what’s left out there is what’s left out there. So you know what that means !”
So, I just checked about a half dozen retailers…… no one has them …. Amazon has one.
Anyone else have inside info? We know how tight lipped Denon is.
Retailers still have them but I wouldn’t be surprised as its been almost five years since they released the 6000s so a replacement is imminent however ill prob skip the sc7000s unless stems cant be done on the 6000s if and when that happens
Like stems is the most important thing in Djing?
Putting aside stems for a minute…(which I don’t care about) what really needs to be upgraded or added, that a firmware update can’t handle? I think the SC 6000’s are the VERY top of the line. I mean look… for example, A&H mixers Xone:92 - 2003, Xone:96 - 2018, XONE PX5 - 2016 and nothing more needed on these solid mixers and in wide use. I think if they do come out with a new flagship player, I’d be expecting another major firmware kick for 6000’s and 5000’s… hopefully with some of the better Feature Requests from this forum.
I took was looking and can’t find anything either. Just used and open box. All that is available in the inMusic store is the prime 4+, Sc live 4, prime go +, x1850.
Hoping the SC series has a good update coming, as well as the prime series. also ranes lineup is due for an update too. ( Rane one, twelve, 72)
Thomann and music store still have them in the EU…
I don’t get the fuzz about it. It’s DJ hardware, not a computer. These things don’t become obsolete after a few years. (unless you suddenly want to run Logic Pro or heavy AI algorithms on it ofcourse… )
I have played on technics older than myself, and back then people didn’t wine about “should I wait for an SL1200 mk10”, they just went ahead and bought the mkII… The rest was pure marketing by the manufacturers: ofcourse, the more people you get to DJ by grossly simplifying things, the more people buy your stuff.
That stems thing is the same deal. It’s just instant gratification, but where is the art in that? Mashups are a things since the last 20 years, but up until now people had to put hard work into Ableton to produce decent mashups. Well, those days seem to have ended too, now AI is around the corner. But who is DJing? You or the computer? Where does this end? I have a feel DJs are soon to be replaced by robots.
Call me old fashioned, but in live music the amount of work you have to put in to get result is still the same after 500 years (even longer). I mean, manufacturers have tried to release guitars with lights and all, but musicians steer away from it, due to some pride, saying “I can do this myself, I don’t need training wheels”. But DJs let the robots run over themselves, eyes wide open. And that small difference actually proves that we aren’t the artists we claim to be, otherwise we would steer clear away from AI….
I’m getting too philosophical… I’m going to try to play that barok piece my upright bass teacher gave me, so I have something to do at home. In the meanwhile AI is sorting my music collection anyway!
I will endure whatever reign I have pulled upon me self on this forum 
If there will be a SC6000 update I would expect that it will be a SC6000+ like for the GO and all the other recent product updates.
The current hardware looks like still better then what Pioneer has to offer and the idea that Denon gear will become new club standard did not work out. So would a complete new SCxxxx. change it ?
The only stand out feature on the MK3 and above 1210s is the click less pitch and reset button, its far better than the older pitch with those bearing clicks at 0%, otherwise the mk2 does a stellar job and always will.
I agree generally about the SC-6000, im not sure what else it needs to do… true innovation in DJ world for me would be a mixer with built in computer and screen, so you can run DVS with no laptop.
We talked about awhile back over here didn’t we?
We must also consider the hypothesis that there would simply be no successor for the SC6000/M and that Denon DJ completely abandons this market segment that it cannot penetrate effectively, in particular in clubs, festivals and equipment rental companies.
Denon DJ has tried for almost 7 years to take the leadership on this segment and they have not succeeded. It would therefore be logical that they consider concentrating only on the core of their market, that of standalones for mobile DJs.
So obviously we cannot say that the players have not sold well, I think that several tens of thousands of units have been manufactured and have been sold. But it is perhaps not profitable enough at this stage.
I sincerely hope that Denon will not throw in the towel and abandon the player market, because taking the leadership in this market is not a sprint but a long-distance race. It requires a long-term strategy and a lot of patience.
I am only starting to see more and more DJs interested in Denon now around me because the planets are just starting to align, between Pioneer and its new Alphatheta branding, their policy of ever higher prices for so little innovation. And in 2024 alone, out of 10 DJs I know, I have seen more than half switch from Pioneer to Denon.
I hope that InMusic will give itself a little more time on the player market because it is only really starting now, Alphatheta is really starting to exasperate even its own fanboys. It would be a shame to miss the boat and not be there when it is about to leave.
But it could also be that the sc6000/M are the last, maybe they will enter the legend?
Who sends texts like this btw? 
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Does it need to be about ‘taking the leadership’, or just offering an alternative product for those who want to explore outside of the usual?
DJ friends do. duh 
Pioneer, although ubiquitous, and as most here know, certainley not deserving of the made up “club standard” moniker. But you have to give their marketing team credit and that’s part of the reason their prices are out of whack. Throwing money at marketing, throwing free gear at top headliners, and releasing a new controller every year, having a presence at the gear fests etc; all fuel this pricing and propoganda that they are the standard. From the perspective of the casual viewer and uninformed, it’s understandable how one would think that. I’m of the opinion if Denon did a bit more to promote their brand, especially in the players space, you’d see much more of their gear out there.
Probably,
But if Denon started to adopt the same marketing strategies as pioneer, the same causes producing the same effects, you would see a crazy increase in the prices of Denon equipment also to compensate for the costs related to marketing/sponsoring.
Personally I prefer a more discreet brand on marketing that practices fairer prices, rather than a brand that does marketing at all costs and for which it is the end consumer who pays exorbitant prices.
That Denon simply keeps the strategy that is theirs for the moment, namely to devote resources to research and development, innovation rather than spending money uselessly on marketing/sponsoring.
It will perhaps be a brand less known to the general public, but informed DJs will not be mistaken when making their choice.
Take brands like Play Differently, Formula Sounds or Master Sounds, do they sponsor and spend a lot on marketing? I don’t think so. Are they known to the general public? Certainly not!
But among amateurs these are brands that have a great reputation, and you know why? Because they make equipment with incredible quality and sound. And word of mouth simply does the rest! It’s the best advertising there is!
So yes it is certainly niche equipment at a high cost, because often assembled by hand with impeccable quality control on each copy produced.
Denon DJ must focus mainly on two points, quality control on the choice of components and assembly which is sometimes a little random from one unit to another. Sometimes two similar units from the same batch will not have the same Jogwheel tightening setting. I have two LC6000s here, and if I set the hardness in the same place on the adjustment knob, I don’t get the same hardness on both.
The other point is the availability of spare parts and designing the units in such a way that it is as easy as possible to replace certain wear parts (upfaders, buttons etc…) without it being a nightmare to disassemble.
Another little secret of the mk3 is under the platter there was a blue screw adjustable nob/button which aloud you to adjust the pitch range to match the Vestax (can’t remember the model) of the same time, as the Vestax had a longer pitch range (±12 I think) than the Technics mk2 (±8)
I think the mk2 could do it too but you had to do it from inside, I might be wrong though 
I seem to remember something about old hardcore DJs doing it so they could play tracks at warp speed
There were all sorts of mods. There was a potmeter for adjusting the zero point, there was a potmeter for adjusting the range: these 2 where often confused, as for the pot for the zero point you had to remove the platter and the plastic cover, and for the pot for the range you had to disassemble the whole base. Which was cumbersome, the range pot was the more important one…
Also you could remove the little ball-and-spring that made the click in the middle, and sabotage the switch that activated the quartz lock. The quartz lock was always fighting with the zero point of the fader anyway.
These were sort of the 3 most popular mods. And there there was a whole skew of people adding blue leds in the strobe, swapping popup lights, painting the chassis pink, adding longer cables, swapping the tone arm for a straight one, and so on.
The M3D practically had these mods built in, but anyone who needed these mods had already added them themselves on the mkII. And in rental you only came across the mkII, so you had to learn to work with an unmodded mkII anyway.
But see how times changed? Back then we were looking for ways to mod our pickups to get rid of the near-zero-click, or just adjust the range. We learned to live with the limitations of the gear, and we did some sick mixes on that gear. We didn’t even have FX. If you see the feature-request forum today, full of people whining about stems, rgb waveforms, stacked waveforms, auto gain, streaming support, bluetooth, countdown to next cue, more FX, better FX, AI, automix,… Call me old fashioned, but I think we are a bunch of spoiled kids today… The SC6000 does everything I want it to do, apart from some little annoyances in the browsing and curating department.
I think just like vinyl having a resurgence, we’re gonna see a rebellion against automaton and manual mixing techniques making a return. It’s only going to go so far then all the real heads will get sick of the machine doing most of the work
