That’s what I tell my wife 
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They are probably going to release a “+” version and add the “proprietary DRM chip”.
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I struggle to see what Denon could upgrade on against current flagship players to be honest. The current SC ranges have everything.
I expect, if there are genuine plans for a new player minimal changes, nothing to justify going out and spending another £4k for new kit.
Pioneer on the over hand has to play catch up to Denon and will just update its player to match current features we have on the SC range. Dual layer, Streaming, On-board hard drive etc…
The only thing both companies could really push on with now is AI Technology.
A month on in this thread and I see it is true, the availability of the SC6000s has tanked. LOL, AliExpress shows them available at $473.10, but they seem sketchy. ROFL, the search term in the pic @djliquidice posted says “30 inch lace front wig human hair”.
I’ve been looking at next purchases and in the Denon line SC6000 have the edge. I love the ones I have. It is easier to port two separate SC6000 than a single Prime 4. I love my Prime Go, except for the screen and I prefer 4 channels. The SCLive 4 screen is too small and I am not confident they are sturdy.
I hope for an updated SC6000. A few added instant FX and user definable buttons (stems) would be nice. There’s room on the console for those. Of course, I have no illusion that Denon will continue this line of standalone single players.
It’s a good thing that there are great product designers who work at Denon 
. There are loads of innovations that are possible, including faster SoCs.
Well, here in Europe, all the big online stores like Thomann and Bax just have them in stock… I dont really get the fuzz 
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On the other hand, the SC6000M seems to be gradually disappearing from most retailers.
Thomann and Bax no longer have them, not even listed anymore. Sonovente, which is one of the largest French online retailers, indicates that it is no longer in the catalog.
There seems to be some stock left on the motorized version but prices have increased considerably on the remaining stocks (€1990 compared to a MSRP price previously set at €1690)
At Long and mcquade the 6000’s were gone almost a year ago. A listing will appear on the site once and awhile but only for used ones.
Looks live the sc live 2 has been discontinued also.
That I noticed too… I would understand though, a motorised platter is a more niche product than a regular cdj style platter, so I wouldn’t be surprised sales being too low to keep a production line cost effective…
In that regard I expect the Prime 4+ sales surpassing the SC6000’s by far, but i would still expect a large enough customer base for these units…
I don’t see where they can go with a new player though?
The 6000s are still the most advanced standalone deck on the market!?
The only thing I think it needs is a much better platter more akin to the cdj for a more premium feel. I’m not a fan of the current jogs, apart from that I just don’t understand how they’re not more popular.
Everyone I know that’s had a go on a pair has been instantly impressed with how good they are.
It would be a real shame if Denon ditch any future models.
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Honestly, a version with updated labels and or buttons…
There are way too many hidden functions in Engine OS by now…. ie: Yesterday I had to try 4 different button combos before I remembered how a loop was made an automatically activated loop.
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Maybe we’ll see new decks arrive at NAMM 2025?
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They’ll probably announce new gear at namm and have it released by the summer. Usually we get leaks, if you wanna call em that, by now.
We’ll see I guess
The players are advanced from a technical standpoint, yes, but Engine is still miles behind.
I got a Prime Go+ probably 6 weeks ago to dip my toe in the water and there are just so many things missing or restricted compared to DJ software. The learning curve was quite intense and I found some things had workarounds and many just weren’t there.
There’s no way I could justify spending alll that money for a SC6000/M + X1850 rig when a laptop and a decent controller offers so much more for so much less.
Of course I have brought this up before and people have said it’s impossible for standalone functionality to be as complex, but then it is a market where people will buy based on the feature set and their expectations.
Currently I find using VDJ and the Pioneer FLX10 is a perfect solution, especially with the VDJ stems implementation being so advanced.
But that’s just me, every DJ plays differently and has different expectations I guess.
Well, a CDJ offers even less for more… but hardware inevitably just costs more money than software…
Its a GUI problem. A 10” touchscreen will allways be more limited in what you can do with it in an intuitive way than a 15” laptop with a mouse…
But possibilities can also drown creativity. More and more people are trying to get away from their laptop, because it distracts their creativity. And thats exactly what Engine OS tries to cater for… You like it or not
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With a computer and a controller you are only limited by the power and performance of your computer and unless you are on Mac - where the planned obsolescence is more present than on Windows with the new versions of MacOS that no longer support old hardware - you can keep your controllers for years and only change the computer and your controller will continue to work. This is the advantage, the downside is that you must agree to continue using the computer and that it is not a standalone product.
On the standalone product side, you are limited with the power of the embedded hardware, and it cannot evolve. The software can evolve but there will inevitably come a time when a feature to be developed will require more processing resources than the hardware can offer.
Stems on the fly without pre-calculation are the perfect example of this type of scenario. This will force you to upgrade your hardware after a while if you want to continue to benefit from the most demanding technological advances.
But also tell yourself that standalone products, especially those that use Engine OS, are fully optimized. It is a single hardware for all products running Engine OS, so developers can optimize it and exploit it to the maximum to get the best out of it (to the extent of its capabilities).
Let’s also keep in mind that to do the tasks that are supposed to be done, namely track mixing and audio processing. The current hardware as it was designed, thought out and considered was more than sufficient for this application.
The design of the current hardware must have been thought out and designed in 2015 or 2016, that is to say almost 10 years ago.
At that time, no one at InMusic could have imagined that features such as stems, requiring the use of particularly greedy algorithms to be processed in real time by the hardware, would see the light of day or even become possible. It was neither envisaged nor planned for the use for which the hardware was originally intended.
So it is rather in reality a feat that on a technology designed and developed almost 10 years ago, the development team was able to find a way to implement them. I even think that there are few companies that would have tried to do it.
From a strategic and marketing point of view, it would have been much easier for the company to keep this feature as a selling point in favor of the next generation.
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The value comes in modularity. At big events, if a player breaks, a stage crew member can come and replace it and most of the times you don’t even need to stop the music.
Another example:
At the last event I played warm-up before a dj playing on 3 CDJs + a sampler. There was no room in the booth for my SC Live 4 so we swapped one CDJ with a Denon player and I played on dual layer. The swap took around 30-40 seconds. Imagine how awkward it would have been to remove all 3 CDJs and push everything to the side just to make room for a console.
For solo home and private event DJs a console and a laptop is a better choice, you get all the features out there + mobility. But regarding price you need to factor in the price for the laptop and software for a fair comparison.
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Left Arrow key / + ( desired loop) Button.
Yeah I figured that out in the end. But when you’re on the spot, clear labels are helpful.
BTW: a few minutes later my colleague (mostly playing back to back with this guy) was looking for the combo to hide the dual layer view: started tapping away at shift+view. I interrupted him and pressed shift+layer: aha! In the heat of a mix he really didn’t think this was funny…
It doesn’t show good UI design when you start hiding functions behind buttons that weren’t designed for this. If you would ask me, for example, how to use the sampler, I’d have to read the manual again… And when I tested the sampler I couldn’t really find how to load different samples by intuition either… The SC6000 is full of hidden functions by now…
You can say what you want about Pioneer, but that is one thing they don’t do: everything is kept intuitive and properly labeled.
Loading a sample into the sampler is actually very simple.
- Create a folder or playlist with your samples
- select the sample you want to load and slide it ‘slightly’ to the right as if you wanted to send it to a deck but not all the way to the end of the screen. You will see “load” appear
- press load and select the pad you want to assign your sample to.
- activate the sampler mode with Shift+Roll to play your samples.
You probably have a little trouble remembering it because you don’t use it often. But once you get used to using it it is quite intuitive.