*Pioneer to Release New Groundbreaking Controller NAMM 2024!

Same thing tho. Cached/recorded to memory. Mix output recording is disabled is what you mean.

While we’re on the subject, I thought Denon was releasing some BT functionality? Was mentikned by DDJTips when Prime came out.

Well it’s not recorded, it gets deleted after you load another track, so nothing is being ‘recorded’ at all.

The mic section is pretty legit too, you can choose to record the mic to USB drive (or not), there’s high and low EQ on the screen for both mics, effects can be used on them.

Beatjump dedicated buttons would be welcome over the shift + loop encoder

Seems as though the battery life might be a little better according to Mojaxx’s review. I know batteries degrade, but I’m getting a little over 3 hours of battery life using day mode and wifi on the go now, where he is getting a little over 4 at max brightness with bluetooth and wifi. I hope the next version has a bigger battery, would prefer closer to 5 hours.

I would add to this the bluetooth cacheing with the ability to use hotcues/loops/tempo adjust is pretty neat (but not necessarily needed). Lots of opportunities to go awry (if whoever is running the source pauses, skips, goes out of range ect.), but that’s the same danger as just normal bluetooth input.

Its the same thing though. The only difference is whether youre talking about ram chips or flash chips. When you record audio on a computer to memory, no-one calls it just cacheing or buffering.

Record definition. To store sounds using electronic device so it can be heard later. It is absolutely doing that. Just not making a permanent copy.

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I respectfully disagree.

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Stop with that logic lol j/k

I don’t think DJMag.com knows what they’re talking about calling Alpha Theta a “sister company”.

I heard from their employees that the new owners wouldn’t even pay licensing to continue putting out new gear with the old Rekordbox compatibility, so it’s a cold turkey break with the old and in with the new on the hardware side. That was just piddly little code licensing the employees were holding water for when making excuses for the change.

It’s totally reasonable to assume they wouldn’t pay to keep using the Pioneer name on new gear, either. Their post (or press release) was completely consistent with that. The only (semi-rational) reason Alpha Theta would cease putting “Pioneer” on new gear is because they don’t have the legal right to do so.

Numark predated Pioneer’s DJ equipment by decades, by the way. They were making DJ mixers like a decade before Rane even was. For a while, ‘Numark’ was the parent company as Jack O’Donnell’s first purchase before it became a sub-branding of InMusic.

My original assumption was that “Alpha Theta” was created to start slapping on their line of club sound systems they were doing in order to compete with Void, Funktion One, etc. That’s where it showed up first, on company lit and on the big club stuff. Looks like they simply decided to move completely over to that.

It will be interesting to see if word-of-mouth is enough to inform the die-hard Pioneer-DJ-only users on his new naming.

Judging by the collective bed wetting over this announcement I can see it being a struggle… it also shows just how many brand sheep exist, people who care more about what they look like (wearing their DJ gear like a fashion brand) than what is coming out of the speakers, utterly shallow and pathetic.

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Yes, because that crowd is generally not well-informed, in my experience, on larger DJ gear trends and other companies’ offerings.

They’re also completely blind to the fact that their 10 grand ‘club standard’ still doesnt look as cool as my 1210s, never has, never will :slight_smile:

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You tell them those new overpriced Pioneer TTs they’re looking at are mostly the same as a dozen other TTs out there and made by the same OEM, and it’s like you just went past the script the Matrix droids were programmed for as their eyes glaze over.

Pregnant pause, then: “It goes up to 11…”

Who knows, maybe they’ll just sell more CDJ-3000s.

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An example of what we can read in France and the behavior of Alphatheata! It ■■■■■! :flushed:

Richard Copol: What is innovation? Copy Denon’s Prime Go which came out 3 years ago?

AlphaTheta / Pioneer Dj France: Without the toy buttons and jogs

The jogs are bigger, though. That’s something I found inexplicable on the GO. Versadeck (and its ilk) had a nice happy medium, IMO. The pitch faders appear to be similar (or maybe exactly the same) 14bit-ish ones as the Mix Vibes uMixControl Pro, so I think those being smaller isn’t as big a deal on both the GO and the new Pioneer… I mean Alpha Theta.

Their definition of toy buttons and my definition of toy buttons are completely different :rofl:

10 years have passed since Pioneer sold the Pioneer DJ brand to the previous owner and now the legal right to use the name expires.

And don’t mock it, probably we’ll see the same thing with Denon DJ brand in 2027

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When they say they’ll be stuff being manufactured with Pioneer DJ, that’ll be existing gear that already licensed and sold as Pioneer DJ. A phase-out of the brand will happen slowly and alongside each other so the transition on store shelves will be gradual and noticeable by everyone. They’ll have their new design language and tout themselves as the future.

They’ll probably continue to churn out any product that is already designed and produced under Pioneer DJ. The CDJ-3000 etc will most probably live on as Pio DJ branded.

I predict that the move to AT branding will be when they redesign the product. When the CDJ-4000 arrives or the latest hybrid TT they’ll be under the AT brand, a new name and probably have this new style look.

That would be news to me, as I’ve never heard of Jack O’Donnell licensing just the name of a company temporarily, as he’s been buying distressed assets since he left Stanton Magnetics, and now even owns Stanton. A lot of what he’s bought, he’s got the IP, but isn’t even using much of the brandings. What would be the point of just licensing the branding if you don’t use it? Pioneer, though, doesn’t sell anything outright, rather they license bits of their company for a time here and there, including a lot of it to China last I heard. I think the only part of Pioneer that’s still in use in Japan is their auto sound stuff, and I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s up for outside licensing, too. It’s a weird model that Pioneer now has. I don’t get it. They used to make better TVs even than Sony.

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It’s a way a lot of companies have gone now. It’s a shame you can’t buy a proper product made by that manufacturer.

Sharp are Vestel made along with Toshiba. Pioneer have had their stuff made under licence. JVC for HiFi is (or was) owned by DixonsCarphone in the UK. Asda have Polaroid for TVs. Sony have strange rebadged stuff. The list goes on…

Such a shame.

I was always curious about Westinghouse, as they were a powerhouse decades ago, and then their consumer electronics division ended up somewhere else, but I don’t know if that was a license deal or an outright sale.

Isn’t pretty much the whole world using LG panels in their TVs too?

Apple use Samsung screens in their phones etc… it’s a mess lol.