Pioneer CDJ Nexus 3/XDJ 2000

The touchscreen is not multitouch.

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You are so correct and i did a typo and fixed it, thanks for the correction :heart:

It’s also that annoying pressure touch like whats on the remainder of the Pioneer line. It’s the whole reason I got an XP1 to begin with. Got tired of on screen cue buttons and beat jumps not being responsive enough.

If I hear one more person say the cdj3000 are not aimed at the bedroom/mobile market im going to scream, of course they aimed at every dj because in pioneer world people will just buy there gear just like the nxs2’s ect, weather it be in cash or finance, they want to move as many units as possible its just business.

in the grand scheme of things 90% of world dj’s are in the bedroom and they like there tech the most, Things are different this time round because theres real competition.

the competition is better and also cheaper, £900 pounds cheaper per deck! PER DECK!

I hate the way all the usual suspects arnt just saying it how it is, someone somewhere will do a proper vs. in the not to distant future and it aint going to be pretty. Mojaxx you better not let us down being an owner of the prime series. Infact the mojaxx review will be the one to watch as he prides himself on not ā€œshillingā€ for any company. Unfortunately everyone’s got a price and I expect the same.

Denon put your hand in your pocket and sponsor one of these you tube shills and get the word out there, the guy that is currently going round the UK doing the demo’s lacks real pizzazz and is a ā– ā– ā– ā–  sales man. (sorry if you’re reading this man but you just aint got it)

If denon was my company I would set up the ā€œcomparisonā€ in a well lit studio, using good cameras and a sharp presenter and let the gear speak for its self, no exaggerations are needed but you need to strike now while public flogging season is in effect. You need to get brutal the time to turn the tide is now, today!

ill make it easy for you use this guy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HO0Hzp1pdw

Ready to hit the ground running, just like my mixmeister bpm algorithm for engine prime recommendation - Your Welcome…

You just confirmed what I was saying: no mc4000, mc6000 or mcx8000. Did they even mention the mc7000?

agreed Denon needs to implement something like this having the preview waveforms is availalble in the Engine Liberay software so just need to implement in the OS.

I personally never found the pressure touch to be annoying. Is the CDJ-3000 still mechanical touch or does it use pressure sensors in some laminate like old touch screens and touch phones sometimes used? The latter would probably be a pretty good solution and wouldn’t require springs to be stretched out if someone stupidly puts a laptop on the CDJ overnight.

Well, recently it looks like these P decks are actually build good for that purpose. Also I seen a photo of someone having a complete Prime 4 standed directly on a nexus setup :smiley:

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Yeah seen that too and also toilet rolls being used on top of technics and CDJs for a flightcased Prime 4 to sit on top.

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In the year of the pandemic, that’s one hell of a precious stand :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

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I think they keep them in the DJ booth for shot genres.

He did get his hands on a 3000 for a short time and publsh a mini review. I do love his reviews and respect his honesty, but unfortunately he did sound a lot like the other reviewers talking target market. He did say that he will come back with a more extensive review in the future. I have faith that he will.

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We cannot deny Pioneer communication/marketing is on point. All stores, all djs, all reviewers, all social networks are talking about the CDJ3000 because the product is already available…I wish Denon can do the same instead of long diet period between teasing and hands on. The funny thing is none of the review videos compare the CDJ3000 side by side with the SC6000 !! I guess Pioneer has clearly forbid reviewers to do so.

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of course and for good reason. but it’s unavoidable because these two are the top shots.

actually only the primes are but given the cdjs’ popularity … you get how i meant it.

Yeah I caught this on the Crossfader v10 review I think where he kept avoiding saying ā€œAllen & Heathā€. It’s very awkward

These reviewers have to do what they do. Pioneer knows their gear the best and have a strategy on how to enlighten the community on their product features and specs. Otherwise how would anybody get to know to product unless they see it demonstrated? This is journalism btw.

There is no honest reviews because the time hasn’t come yet for it. How can any review be honest if the product has just been released. It’s unfair to all parties.

Give it a few months.

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Whilst that is all good the likelihood they ever return to a product is low. I don’t think I’ve ever seen one.

Take for example the MCX8000 debacle, that could have made for an interesting investigative journalism piece.

It’s like they are promotion agencies which is fair enough but at least use interview customers who used the product after a few months to see how they are getting on.

I follow other tech influencers on YouTube and there are a good few that give you a 6 months later update/review. Why? because there are always people who will wait till the price drops before buying.

It always seem DJs are always over eager to pre-order and pay over the odds so they can have some kind of bragging rights. And to think DJs are meant to be the cohort that should be waiting for reviews and feedback before investing.

Usually I am not this vocal here on the forum but reading a lot about the Denons and Pioneer players and reading all the usual new outlets about it. What concerns me a lot is the way users currently commenting these articles. I am not saying it is happening here the same way but wanted to share my thoughts and want to ask you how you feel about it.

First of all, there is a lot of angry / hate comments around. Main arguments, the CDJ-3000 misses features and is too expensive. My impression is, lots of those comments are posted by users having already decided for the SC6000 - which is ok but why than bother. Regarding the price. Did anyone seriously believed PioneerDJ will release a successor of the CDJ-2000nxs2 at the price of the SC6000. This wouldn’t make sense even compared to the other product structure they got. So did that surprised me? No. Regarding the features. What if PioneerDJ would have released a SuperDuper player even superior to the SC6000? Would anybody be more happy? We probably would still see angry comments on the price… So everybody who is on the Denon Bandwagon already should be happy to still have a tech advanced player. Everyone who is with PioneerDJ and is disappointed - simply don’t buy the new one. And those who decide buying the CDJ-3000 because they can afford it, it is fine either. This is how the market works. Don’t put your money on a product you don’t like. There is no need to either hype or hate a brand for the strategy they follow. Or even call others as fanboys just because they might have a different opinion. This is independent from the brand.

I like to talk about new products. I like to see new evolution in the technology. And I want to have open discussions without getting nasty comment because someone has a different opinion.

Regarding the reviews. There seem to be some critics out on the reviews for the CDJ-3000 especially when they are positive. There are comments like ā€˜biased’ or ā€˜Oh, these guys are paid…’ etc… I am feeling that these days people may believe that there is only one right answer - and that is mine. We are loosing respect and do not accept anymore other opinions.

I am interested in how you feel about it. This is no offense to others.

Thanks

I’m a long time pioneer fan. In fact, Pioneer got me back into the DJ game when they released the CDJ back in the mid 2000’s. They were the first to release a fantastic controller (DDJ-S1) which I purchased back in 2010, and Pioneer continued to innovate and lead the industry well into the 2010’s, and became the industry standard. Being the industry standard also afforded them to charge a premium for their products (with some being justifiable).

In recent years, Pioneers innovations have come less and less. Other manufacturers, like Denon DJ, have pushed the envelope and consumers have taken notice. Denon has shown the industry what technology is capable and Pioneer either is ignoring it or simply can’t produce it.

Let’s take price out of it and say both the SC6000 and the CDJ-3000 where offered at the same price point.

In my opinion, the SC6000 would still have a slight edge over the 3000. The saving grace for Pioneer at this point is familiarity with the layout and their proven reliability. Hopefully Denon DJ’s strive for excellence will soon remove these advantages.

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If I can take your idea a slight bit further and still stay on topic, you mentioned ignoring the price.

Everyone think for a moment about the new pioneer CDJ3000 with 30% off of the price (the so-called, ā€œpioneer taxā€ ) and , wait for it, take off the pioneer badge and put on a dreadful ADJ, Gemini, Hercules, citronic badge.

So non-pioneer price, non-pioneer badged.

What would the reviews be like then - with all the same features ?

What would the denon vs ā€˜brand of the CDJ3000’ discussions be like then?