lol I have no idea. I just know I am getting one
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It must be a new os coming for all units. Cant see that rane will have its own engine dj 
Lovely machine they made 
Well, I just watched Mojaxxâs review of the System One, and here are my conclusions.
Itâs a nice unit, a good device that will probably be quite successful.
But itâs not the revolution I was expecting, or rather, I knew what to expect in reality.
Hereâs what I can say about it:
We are clearly dealing here with the new hardware platform based on the Rockchip RK3588, the same one used in the latest MPC Live III, probably with 4 GB of RAM (given the current soaring prices of RAM, I doubt they put in more). The presence of USB-C confirms that itâs the RK3588 chipset. However, as expected, and as I keep repeating here, âon-the-flyâ stems, without prior rendering, are still not available because the RK3588 still doesnât have the necessary power to perform the separation of a complete track in a reasonable amount of time (i.e., at least two to three times less time than the duration of the track itself). And itâs exactly the same problem as on the MPC Live III. Same cause, same consequences.
So Mojaxx is optimistic in saying that the development team hasnât given up on this idea, but on an RK3588-based platform, I still wish them good luck. I suppose the development team is probably waiting for/hoping for the arrival of new, lighter algorithms that are just as efficient â ââbut I doubt this will happen because the further we advance in technology, the heavier, more complex, and more computationally demanding the algorithms become.
In short, if youâre thinking of buying a System One betting on the fact that it will receive âon-the-flyâ stems someday, I advise you not to get your hopes up too high on this point.
For me, the choice of the RK3588 platform is clearly a bad one. Itâs more of a choice or a constraint imposed by the marketing team to keep component costs as low as possible and preserve profits, rather than an engineering choice to prioritize performance, raw power, and future-proofing.
They could have chosen a chipset based on a Dimensity 9300 (ARM) chip, which would certainly have increased the final price of the product by $100 and would have had the necessary power for on-the-fly stems, but they certainly also favored the RK3588 to avoid having to recode EngineOS for a Dimensity chip and maintain backward compatibility with the RK3288 (cost reduction at all costs).
After all, I think most buyers who spend $2500 on a System One donât Theyâre not going to quibble over $100 to get the stems âon the fly.â
Aside from that, itâs clear that the RK3588 brings a breath of fresh air to Engine OS; scrolling through playlists seems much smoother, and switching between menus is much more responsive.
The ability to seamlessly switch from Engine OS to PC mode is a truly welcome addition that was sorely needed.
The stem FX are also a nice touch, but itâs a shame that the quality of the stem rendering in Engine isnât always on par with Virtual DJ/Djay Pro.
Otherwise, nothing much is new. The RGB waveforms will certainly delight many, but I personally prefer the readability of the 3-band/3-color waveforms. Iâm still not a fan of the vertical screen format, and I can already see âmore zoom out on the System One, please!â threads appearing on the forum.
In conclusion, I would say itâs a half-step forward because of the choice of the RK3588 platform, not the next-gen leap I was expecting. And I doubt that future Denon DJ products will use a more powerful platform. So, for the next five years, Iâll pass.
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Isnât it beautiful! 
Let me be the first to say welcome to all the Rane DJs. Welcome in the EngineDJ community!
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Exactly my thoughts. I think they / the team look into offloading stem calcs. This could be to EngineDesktop for lower tier or embedded second chip for higher tier (think similar to dedicated AI chips). Then optionally InMusic could sell a small add-on device connected to the USB for all-in-one devices to enable offloading stem calc.
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And keep stability up. Minimizing the chances for bugs on introduction. For me stability is more important than non-prerenderend stems. The prices of RAM might have soared, storage is still dead cheap.
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Cheap or not, itâs still wasted storage space that could be better used for something else, like expanding your tracks collection for example.
The only thing missing from the System One imho is the ability to also use it as a mixer. We can hope this gets added to the 4 channel version.
I think that if the team had already been able to implement on-the-fly stems on the RK3588 chipset, they would have done so already to wow everyone at the product launch.
If they havenât, itâs probably because they conducted a number of tests that proved inconclusive at this stage with the currently available algorithms.
I donât believe in the use of an external ad-hoc chip; itâs not really in line with InMusicâs philosophy to offer additional external solutions, even if it remains possible from a purely theoretical technical standpoint.
This RK3588 platform is more of a mid-gen evolution than a next-gen leap in my opinion; itâs to InMusic what the PS5 Pro is to Sony. Yes, it will bring some improvements (smoothness, responsiveness, etc.), but it wonât be the game-changer that many are expecting. This is too timid a step forward for me.
Given how good the stems are in VDJ and the flexibility of how they are implemented I thought in music would have done more to compete.
This isnât going to pull people away from laptops that already offer more unfortunately, well not on the standalone side anyway.
Iâm sure like the Prime 4 there will be many that buy it to use purely with the software of their choice and completely ignore the Engine OS part.
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Oh, I think InMusic doesnât care at all how DJs use the product, whether theyâre connected to a computer or not, it doesnât matter, as long as the money keeps coming in, then itâs no longer their concern.
If you want more stable products you have to wait longer for the release. And that wonât happen when competition is strong. In this case, end users will be the field test. So the most important thing for a tech company is to act swift on feedback from the field and fix those âbugsâ In case itâs an hardware limitation then it comes down to bad design or to the price of the product and âchoicesâ made to keep the product within a price range.
The OS version in the Mojaxx video is 4.6.0 beta, which gives a slight hope that some of these changes will come to older units, but time will tell.
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I didnt catch that, going to watch the video again this morning. Whereabouts in the video does it show the version?
Edit: can see it.
Being a semipro or professional DJ, with having enough cash to spend for a new-generation unit (this system one, or the pending successors of the other Prime units), disk space for pre-rendered stems really shouldnât be an issue for a potential buyer.
Yes, the RK3588 may be not the ârevolutionâ chip some have hoped for, but it doesnât have to be, and itâs still a great step up from the RK3288, while keeping the architecture and codebase the same. And personally, as someone who is not a heavy Stems user and certainly doesnât mind to let my superior Macbook Pro chip to batch-process them overnight, I wouldnât be happy to pay even more for the unit for a feature that I donât need.
Licensing is still a major challenge for using Stems on streaming services, and for your local tracks and playlist - well, you prepare them (waveforms, grids, cue points, active loopsâŚ) on your PC/Mac before anyway, so where is the issue to do your Stems rendering together with that? Itâs not butchering your SSD space, if you donât mindlessly click on âgive me Stems for all my 50k+ tracks, even though I will only use a fraction of thatâ.
Should on-device Stems rendering come, then it will probably as slow as on the Akai Live III, so more meant as additional solution, for the odd track that came in last-minute, e.g. from a USB drive of a guest or whatever. Which is totally fine in my eyes. Sometimes it seems to me, that ever since the hype about Stems began, people forgot that you can still perfectly mix without, like all the decades before, using EQs and effects. Pre-process your Stems for the playlist and tracks you like and let the unit focus on the actual performance. And lastly, always keep in mind what the competitor offers (or in that case, doesnât)âŚ
As for the System One, it got several features that I already anticipated, and chances are good, we will see a spillover-effect on the next-gen Prime devices. People probably shouldnât expect that everything will also come ot our up to 9 year old devices (SC5000), but as Stu already stated, just scroll back the immense changelog history ever since 1.x - at some time, itâs good to make a cut and focus on the new hardware, as long stability updates and compatibility remain given.
The System One is an interesting hybrid device, using several compontents from existing hardware (like the 7â Akai/Denon/Numark screens just rotated 90° which is a pretty clever idea, or the jogs, faders and OLED screens) to not let production costs skyrocket, while still delivering an impressive unit. Okay, just 2 channels and no line/phono-in, but motorized platters, Stems features, full standalone features, Engine Lighting, Ableton Link, Sampler, etc. for almost $1000 less than a AZ, and only 200-300$ more than a RX3 or Rev7, that it absolutely demolishes in features. Always something to keep in mind, when talking about the some (and legit) negative points.
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I cant see any reason why the device would need a reboot to choose VDJ or Djay Pro as a source, it should work exactly like Serato is working on the demo video, if you select both decks as Serato for the source then choose software effects its essentially a DJ controller.
What would be interesting and what we didnt really see in the video is how stems work when the source is Serato, i can only assume its using the Serato stems, notice we didnt get to see Serato on his laptop as its likely a non-public version he didnt have permission to showcase. So until that is released we wouldnt have a full idea of how its working.
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âŚ..meanwhile, AlphaTheta release the DJM-V5 (half a V10).
As a strictly 3 deck user, i dont get the hate for 3 channels.
Oh, I donât mind 3 (or 2+1) channel products either, itâs just once again the whole concept of releasing a 3-channel mixer, which will not find any significant usage in larger venues and clubs (where 4 decks and channels are absolutely standard), but for a very ambitious price once again.
And that master mix level slider (instead of a knob) is placed in a dangerously confusing way, looking like a 4th channel strip and certainly requiring some muscle memory readjusting.
But hey - $300 less than the MSRP of the System One. (jk)