All the current devices use the same internals with regards to processing, this has been discussed on this forum many times. There’s a reason why live stems never made it past the beta that was publicly released, not enough power under the hood. The only real difference is the security chip and some devices having a newer wireless card that supports the modern Bluetooth protocol, and that’s why those devices offer streaming of certain services and also Bluetooth connection.
When you purchase an Alphatheta device you’re buying a clean break from future feature updates, so why is it so bad for inmusic to give their products are lifespan of several years then do it? When was the last time an Alphatheta product got anything serious as an update? I’m fairly certain CDJ-3000 owners are all ranting about their decks being out of date now the X has arrived, because that’s what they do.
All I’ll say is, have you ever seen any version of engine that looks like that one on the rane? And has there been any indication whatsoever that current devices are about to be changed to have that UI? Given InMusic have been making significant UI changes to our devices and it looks nothing like that, I can’t see how it’s going to be a thing.
Denon DJ supports all hardware with engine DJ to, when stems came to the hardware only the + units had it unlocked natively, the rest paid a one time fee for 5 devices.
No… it’s something new, after all…
But the display is just software…
I only know that a replacement board for the P4+ is significantly more expensive than for the P4 or P2.
I once got one for an acquaintance – the power supply and board were fried, caused by a power surge from a generator. (Presumably…)
There was more broken too… including the power amplifiers…
Except for Crown!! They’re indestructible…
I don’t know if the SoC is the same.
We’ll know more tomorrow, and with that new information, we can better speculate about how InMusic will handle the existing series.
Seriously though: The 3000x was supposed to force this change at AT, but it backfired spectacularly.
A friend (yes, the same one) has ten 3000x units in stock, and nobody wants to rent them out.
His employed DJs are split roughly equally between the AZ and a standard CDJ setup, with the remainder using Serato and Denon. At least, that’s my understanding. Currently, there are explicit requests for the old 3 series on stage – understandable after the disaster AT caused.
We’ll see if anything changes in the summer when all the festivals start up again.
Now we just have to wait and see what InMusic decides.
Congratulations to the RANE and EngineDJ team. Amazing Unit.
Mixed sources, RGB waveforms, Master EQ’s ,.. probably some more funky stuff - overall a big smile. One thing I did not like was the assigning FX to a FX hw-slot, it would have been neat to display the actual FX name along the button.
Working my way through the Beatsource review and there is no standalone stems processing on this unit. Mojaxx also mentions how bad the precomputed ones are compared to other platforms. Not surprised.
He also mentions how bad the beatgridding is which is disappointing as I raised this (with examples) to support a year ago.
This is a really hot piece of kit, and as expected, it will be a major player in this particular segment.
Personally, the Serato integration doesn’t impress me, as I simply don’t use Serato.
However, for fans and users, being able to directly access the Serato library is an incredibly cool feature.
Those who want to work with a laptop, for example with VDJ, will probably still have to reboot and can’t simply switch.
It’s a shame; I had hoped for a bit more from “Hotswap.”
Nevertheless, it’s a fantastic feature and absolutely amazing for Serato users.
Waveform? I don’t care; I almost never pay attention to it. Ultimately, it’s a matter of taste and purely cosmetic.
My absolute HOT favorite feature is definitely the STEM effects.
They are the main reason why I use VDJ so often at gigs.
The simple on/off switch, which is currently the only option, is another reason, besides the sound quality, not to use Stems on Engine DJ – no matter how precisely you turn them off by beat, you can hear the hard cut.
Let’s see what Denon has to say about the future of aktual older devices.
They definitely need to fix the wandering waveform – even though I hardly notice it myself, many rightly see it as a serious flaw.
I stand by my opinion: InMusic has done a great job here!
Well, what he’s shown is that he stayed in Engine DJ the whole time.
Whether the waveform is running on the laptop or something is completely irrelevant.
With the hotswap I’m envisioning, it would simply switch to Serato or VDJ without a reboot.
Of course, that wouldn’t work seamlessly.
But if it were ever necessary to be done in two seconds, that would be extremely helpful.
We’d have to see to what extent the laptop is still involved or if it’s just simple data access.
So there’s still hope
Did you skip over the parts where the Denon team aren’t abandoning stems on hardware and the improvements Akai made. We all know that Denon stems are the worst they’ll be today, doesn’t mean inMusic is stopping there.
