That’s one of the reasons I still use my MCX8000 controllers. The hot swap between VDJ and Engine is dope!
Severely disappointed when this feature wasn’t carried over to the current Prime all in one units.
Apart from stems the other focus recently is flexible beat grid. VDJ are working on it as we speak and it’s another wonderful tool to have that makes life easier, especially for open format DJs.
For stems to work with reasonable quality, like in VDJ or Traktor, at least 10x speed is required.
Sure, the start and the first second are calculated quickly, but what if my drop or mix-in is much further along in the track? Wait?
My graphics card, for example, reaches 43x, and even that’s too slow for me to work smoothly.
That’s why I let everything be pre-calculated, and that’s that.
Quality and workflow are more important to me than a few gigabytes of disk space.
Besides, I don’t think Serato runs natively on the new device, and I couldn’t find a hot-swap function either—but that would be really nice to have.
If it works there, it should be possible for older devices as well.
Two instances of an application for a handoff would run better with newer Processor and more RAM, older gear wouldn’t be able to handle it IMHO
You think Serato could run simultaneously as part of the operating system?
I don’t think so.
InMusic wouldn’t benefit from that, except for additional licensing fees they would have to pay.
However, I don’t see hot-swapping as a major problem for CPU performance.
For me, it’s more a question of the operating system.
It has to decide who has the exclusive rights to the peripherals.
I think the device, if it comes out more or less as shown, will be a huge sales success.
Doesn’t that also work with Prime Video now if you have a laptop with Serato connected? Or am I mistaken?
It’s been a few weeks since I last tried Serato and then uninstalled it.
What are Serato DJs going to do when they can pre-listen to a track without loading it on a deck first 
Namm starts tomorrow! Imagine if they’re showing us all the frog spoilers to distract us from new Denon DJ products!
If I had one wish, it would be for native VDJ software on the P4… 
Instead, we get this “Kawulski”-style Serato software… Market share aside, it’s definitely not the best solution. 
But Prime 4 is supported by vdj.
I know, I mostly use VDJ, and when I’m feeling lazy, I use engineDJ. But the STEM effects (vocal out, etc.) and other features of VDJ are fantastic. Serato and the like are light years away from them.
Now imagine you boot up and VDJ is grinning at you… it remains a dream. 
Not too long for us to wait 
But it would be crazy if there would be nothing to introduce with the new chipset. Fingers crossed!
Serato is a ‘source’ on the system one, so it’s far more likely it’s flipping between the internal engine OS and Serato on a laptop as the sources, then combining the waveforms on screen so they can be mixed into each other.
That also explains why the waveforms look like Serato waveforms.
Integrating like this is a true game changer as it offers way more flexibility and will be the first device to offer such flexibility. This also leaves you wondering what role all the stem controls have to play in Engine, does this mean on device stem analysis and live stems? My iPhone 11 Pro can process them in Djay so nothing stopping it in theory.
I think it’ll also be the device that creates a true generation gap in Engine, with current devices staying on the 4.0 platform and new devices being 5.0 onwards. People will complain but let’s be honest most of us have had years and dozens of free updates out of our gear, some of them being extremely good.
My guess is the message will now be clear. Next generation features require next generation hardware.
I personally hope the middle section of the system one becomes a DJ mixer with built in Engine that can provide DVS internally, now that would be a game changer, I also think the vertical screen will be a winner when people realise how intuitive the library, horizontal waves, deck info stack layout is that we have seen in pictures. I’m looking forward to tomorrow’s release.
I’ve had the Prime Go+ for just over a year. It wouldn’t bother me too much if it didn’t get any new features but there are several bugs that need fixed. I wouldn’t be happy if it was left the way it is as the bugs do affect performance somewhat.
I don’t think bug fixes will stop, still plenty of .0 and .0.0 versions left in the 4 space. I just think the next generation of major additions will be strictly newer devices.
If that’s indeed the case, I think at least the latest versions with the current SoC will adopt some of the features. Denon is surely aware that they can’t make a clean break here. The current devices aren’t old enough yet.
This will clearly push AT into second place in this segment.
Aren’t the SC5000s nearly 10yrs old? And the Prime 2 7yrs old? Prime 4 around the same?
There has to become a point when clean break is exactly what they do, we’ve had an amazing run with features, my device was on 1.6 when I bought it, have a scroll through the release notes on the download page and see what was added in that time, we even get stems one way or another.
You’re forgetting the P4+ and the smaller mobile devices.
They all have the same SoC, and it’s more up-to-date than the one in the P2/P4.
If they make a clean break, it will only be with a completely new device series… otherwise, the update policy will always take the most recently released devices into account, which would be fair.
It might be awkward to come out with Engine DJ 5.0 that only works on the Rane System One, if that’s the only new product for now? For all we know maybe they’ll reinvent as Engine System. But there still needs to be some continuity. I don’t want to have to use two different Engine desktop software to maintain my old units with the new ones. The new software needs to at least write sync files for the “legacy” units.
Of course, we’re getting ahead of ourselves. We should know tomorrow.
