New Denon Media players on the way?

[Pasha]

I wouldn’t be surprised if the Engine ecosystem appears on most cost-conscious media players and all-in-one consoles, but under the Numark and Stanton brand names rather than Denon DJ.

I totally agree though that it would help the whole Engine ecosystem and Engine family by it being on more and more entry-level options.

Eg: a beginner/bedroom/streamer DJ could buy, or be gifted a £250 Stanton all-in-one, get used to it, its features, its flow and its interaction with Engine DJ software for library management. Then, if he/she feels that they’ve outgrown that model, then they can upgrade to a Numark MSP or MSP+ for a while, and still enjoy all that flow, existing library structure etc. later still, if they’re really feeling like going places then they can look at the Denon DJ SC lives, the Prime go (if they really need battery pack over some features), Prime 4 or the SC and X flagships

It’s a really good upgrade path

[Djscottyb]

I’ve said from the start, I wish they’d release a standalone (all-in-one) that mimics the layout of the SC Series and X Mixers. So the same pad layout, etc. Get people used to that setup so then it’s a more natural upgrade for them to move to the big-boy stuff. But what do I know. : )

[djbertie]

They should probably redo Engine DJ before anything else. That program is straight garbage.

[KrisONeil]

Being curious - what do you miss from it?

Only thing I personally miss is the option to add artwork, as well as change the actual ID3 tags of the music files.

Other than that, I find it an awesome library/preparation tool.

[DjMell26]

Lol ! You probably didn’t know Rekordbox from 2010 to 2015 as preparation software, that was really trash! lol

[Reticuli]

I suppose they could always do decks like the S4 mk3 where you can switch between motor and touch at will. I mostly tend to think the InMusic players and all-in-one lineups have plenty of options, maybe too many, other than perhaps a giant hybrid TT deck separate or a better compact all-in-one unit. Regarding the former, not having a vibration-inducing CD mechanism on a vinyl turntable would be a step up from the prior attempts, and the VL-12’s issues warrants another turntable in the line. Obviously TT-200/500/X interchangeable or fixed S-arms would be the preference, but I didn’t want to bother making an S or J arm on the crude CGI below. To get a semblance of the latter backpack all-in-one solution and prior to the pandemic, I started using my third SC5000 non-M with a tiny mini mixer. Come to think of it, I have some ideas for a better mini mixer, as well as some other mixers… but I digress.

https://community.enginedj.com/t/a-prime-12-hybrid-would-be-awesome/11448

https://denondjforum.com/t/prime-hybrid-12-turntable-digital-media-player/14032/1

Request: A feature-bracketed Prime 2 the size of an American Audio Versadeck

For the next tier beneath the currently-underpriced Prime 4, I’d like a Prime 2. Feature bracketing on the Prime 2 would be identical to the Prime 4 if it ever gets any bracketing compared to the flagship players & mixer. You would lose out on two faders and the layers but gain on portability compared to the Prime 4. The American Audio Versadeck, also known as the Synq DMC2000, Audiophony DJinn, Akiyama Synchron, Voxoa S60, DJ Tech U3, NX Audio DJ Media 7000, among others, has the best size c…

Request for Prime Versa or whatever you want to call it

About 1" wider Prime Versa than the GO with standard rear mixer inputs, long pitch faders, slightly larger jogs, better meters, second USB drive port, split cue, no battery, and maybe a SATA bay. poll

[STU-C]

I find it perfectly usable for prepping my tracks for DJ gigs, it does pretty much what it needs to.

[blackavenger]

I think EDJ has come a long way. What I want is better use of that 10.1" screen on the SC6K!! Its comical to have such a HUGE screen, and yet 9" 3000 shows more lines of information. At some point Denon are going to have to address this!

[KrisONeil]

What information do you miss on the screens? I personally find the layout of both the screens and units overall much cleaner than the Pioneer products, which seems overly packed for my taste.

[blackavenger]

@KrisONeil

I personally find the layout of both the screens and units overall much cleaner than the Pioneer

That’s fine, I just diaagree. The two biggest advantages for me are…3000s have 2 more lines of info in Playlist view, and 3000s show a visable representation of the preview waveform when in Playlist view. In general, on the 3000s, there is no wasted space at all. Every centimeter of that GUI is occupied with pertinent information. The fact that the Playlist has optional tabs of info is another biggie. You get to decide what’s most important to you, and only display that. We don’t need empty space on the screen to make it look clean. We need as much info as possible. When comparing the two, the SC6K looked half-baked…

[KrisONeil]

Yeah, all comes down to preference for sure. Pioneer still looks far too busy for my liking in comparison, but certainly it’s a matter of taste

[Reticuli]

I could definitely go for more columns, more sorting options, more info on the track pop up, and ability to actually do something with the pop up, like go to the track’s folder.

[DjMell26]

Sorry… but the Pioneer display is ugly!

Already, I do not understand the track column normally it is the number if it is based on a CD.

There “Track” corresponds to Title!

What is “default” for?

The number in front of the “Track” is useless, since with Engine Dj we can reorganize the order of the music in the column!

I would add when I see the size of the lines of the pieces, where is the point of bothering to add and display the illustration images when you see that it is almost unreadable???

The music note in front of each “Track” line is useless, we know we’re going to play music and not a video lol

Why make it complicated when things can be so much simpler!

Someone organized will not need so much information displayed!

A click on search and we have the essentials!

For my part, I have a root folder which contains folders named by genre (more or less roughly) and these folders contain folders classified by artist, beforehand with my tag software, I correctly filled in the file name with the artist & title metanames, I filled in year, genre, bpm, key, artist for sorting and album arstist.

I’ve always done this since 2005 when I used Serato Scratchlive, Itch, Sdj and SDJ Pro and besides what I liked about Serato was its uncluttered display side, unlike Traktor, but the criticism is was the quality of audio for Serato, Traktor was above, but DVS level Serato never disappointed!

Display level, I think there will be improvements soon Denon listen to us, even if unfortunately it may take some time to set up!

I have had my P4 since July 2019 and with each update I am surprised by the new features and interface improvements.

Without forgetting that all these additions and improvements are free, we won’t have to buy a product every 3/4 years for 2/3 functions that take place afterwards.

It’s just my opinion!!!

However, I think it is possible to reduce the font a bit in the display of playlists and also modify the display of the waveform to have a larger view when playing a song.

[STU-C]

I guess the good thing about the Denon, and this is on my Prime 2. The playlists are always on the left so they can be quickly accessed when you want to swap between them. There should be an option to minimise them though.

Also the full track should be visible in performance mode on the prime as I sometimes get people wanting to take a photo of the track name and it’s a pain to find it in the library, CDJs have the ‘info’ tab

[DjMell26]

@STU-C

Also the full track should be visible in performance mode on the prime as I sometimes get people wanting to take a photo of the track name and it’s a pain to find it in the library, CDJs have the ‘info’ tab

They just have to use Shazam!

[STU-C]

Hahaha, quite a lot of my stuff isn’t on there

[DjMell26]

Ah OK ! But it’s good to have our own cartridges!

By the way… there is a ridoulotte function in SDJ to hide the titles, so that peusdo DJs without personality and without musical culture can find the imports / excluded which are not recognized by Shazam. “AM mode - Hide title and performer”

[STU-C]

Haha I don’t mind sharing names of tracks personally, but there are definitely some grifters out there when it comes to digging for music.

[Kinsotojin]

Have to agree with others it does the job my hope is smart creates that would make my work flow so much easier but I’ve managed so far

[Skaratak]

I am fully with you here, and I strongly disagree with those people downplaying this issue as mere personal preference. The fact is that we have a lot of wasted GUI space, and wasted space equals to inefficiency. At least that huge and useless root column (playlist/folder tree) on the left needs to get removed, as it doesn’t provide any help - if you want to jump up in folder hierarchy, you have to press the back button anyway.

Overview waveforms which you can skip (prelisten) through, and/or the option to display comments (I use those to mark the intro/outro beats of my critical tracks, like “-32A/-16B”) would be FAR MORE helpful than empty screen space. Such an option should be added.

Luckily, there is this thread and it’s very popular with 125+ votes: https://community.enginedj.com/t/improved-track-browsing-and-more-information-on-the-engine-os-screen-hide-playlist-tree/36943/