Some of the posts in this topic have gone off-topic. May need splitting into two, possibly three topics.
Agree ! Thereâs another dedicated thread on the PLX-CRSS12 but someone put a link there to this thread ⌠This is confusing.
Itâs not that confusing, weâre loosely discussing products from another brand in the Engine forum. The other thread was not needed as the discussion was already in full flow here, no need to have it in two different places.
So you mean all discussions around Pioneer Serato products shoul be here ??? Even if those products started to be designed way before AlphaThetaâs announcement ??? You see the confusing point ? The general area is not only the Engine DJ related stuff.
Iâm saying someone started a thread about the product but it was already being heavily discussed in this existing thread so there was no point opening up a duplicate discussion about it⌠thatâs before we even factor in that the product has absolutely nothing to do with Denon, Inmusic or anything else this forum is for, although luckily the mods here welcome open discussion without censor, which should be commended.
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Who all is headed to DJ Expo next week. Apparently, Pioneer is gonna be dropping another product there.
I read somewhere on socials itâs a new CDJ budget friendly isnât it?
Thanks for that.
And yes, although we donât heavily mod topics about the competition, it is still an InMusic community forum. I do think itâs good to have talks about the other brands to compare with and learn from.
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All other dj forums have sections where anything related to dj can be discussed, not only the brand stuff, even in the Pioneer forum where Pulse moderator is doing bull**** mods.
Discussing the PLX-CRSS12 here was the source issue. People donât do extended / inside-thread search before starting discussion and it doesnât even make sense. Thread titles should be clear enough to focus on one subject.
My bad for starting this 
I posted this as the ATC/Serato love child here but probably should of made a dedicated topic. 
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Meh just let it roll, itâs not the end of the world 
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Let It Roll is this week
Seems like the logical step after the release of the 3000 and the their budget players being a bit dated. Lacking features like wifi, streaming and onboard analysis. InMusic will need to shake things up if they have any hope of maintaining the small sector of the market they currently hold.
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People indeed do not search. However, this is an InMusic forum, so we tend to keep things to a minimum regarding other brands. In this case a discussion was already ongoing, so topic were consolidated.
There is no right or wrong here. You both have a point. 
Somewhat quietly implemented, but still.
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Scroll up.
It was called the Numark X2, but it was a few years before HID for DJing, rotating MIDI or timecode-generating controller platters, playing off drives with carefree network linking, or hybrids generally were fully mature for the market, which I think is mostly no longer the case. It was after that the small DN-HS5500 was released by Denon DJ of Japan that obviously lacked a tonearm, had a questionable platter jog bend, and only linked awkwardly between two units using a crossover network cable. A year after that, the Pioneer DJ CDJ-2000 & 900 were released that set a new standard for ease of both network linking and MIDI/HID without bothering with a moving platter. Frankly, InMusic is still struggling with completely carefree networking to allow any tracks to play from any deck, not to mention offloading tracks from the computer onto the decks or ease of use as a controller & soundcard even with drivers.
I think you meant to say âan even more powerful unitâ. And I agree.
I know, but given the history around it, I still find it a very good example to underline my opinion about exotics vs basics 
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Good point. A clearly easy to implement simple basic feature took nearly as much time to finally get around to implementing since initial Prime hardware release as faux stems processing. And the Ms still donât even have adjustable motor-off jog bend. How many hardware models are we at now using the Engine OS firmware? Kind of a spaghetti at the wall to see what sticks strategy.
You could even argue that it had to be implemented from day one, because it is part of the basic cueing behavior that Denon is copying (a 20 year old CDJ1000).
The loop encoder is another thing Denon wasnât thorough while copying it from a Kontrol X1: âshift-press encoderâ is mapped to activate/deactivate loop under the playhead in Traktor, and it is damn handy. But according to the voting system Iâm the only one who cares, so 
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The Denon equivalent to the Kontrol X1 was the DN-HC1000S and it had loop encoders. It pre-dated the X1 which didnât arrive until February 2010. There were a few more too.
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I loved mine, still got it⌠Pioneer just blew it out of the water with the SP1 and the FX control.
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