Just search ‘purple disco machine remix’ Reese, there’s a 99.9% chance he’s had his hands on it 
Hi Sandro. You’re in the same boat as me. You want to like the product. Your suggestions is just to try to make it better for you - and for others. But unfortunately the only thing worse than Denon’s responsiveness is this forums toxicity. I’ve never seen a less welcoming crowd in any online manufacturers forum, regardless of product line. That’s pretty nuts. Anyway, just leave these toxic guys behind and move on. They obviously know better than anyone, and Denon doesn’t care enough to keep this forum a nice place to interact with Denon and other users. I think that says a bunch.
Please explain what has been said in this thread that is wrong? The guy made a complaint about something, comparing it to another brand that does exactly the same thing.
So ‘doc feelgood’ (whoever you are), let’s have it, tell us what was said in here that is incorrect?
you’re kidding ?
Sync : no way the sync button worksvery well,
Comparing a pioneer RR and a P4+ is a joke : speed, sound quality, wifi bluetooth, streaming, stems, filters (you don’t use it the right way)
sometimes reading the manual is the best way to use a device correctly.
You don’t use Denon like Pioneer. It is different.
I play cdjs, opus quad, rx2-3, xdj1000…
And p4, prime go, sc6000 too.
All units are good devices, but Denon devices are on top.
Learn more to use engine devices and you will appreciate them
Everything can always be improved, that’s obvious.
Thinking that buying Denon equipment you’re going to get the same as a Pioneer but cheaper is a mistake, buy a Pioneer. Generally speaking, each brand has its advantages and disadvantages, you should buy the one that best suits your needs.
I returned my Rx3 when it came out and bought the 4, and every day I’m happier with it and its free upgrades.
It’s true that some functions may be more comfortable for some DJs coming from Pioneer, such as the PITCH effect, the longer reverb effect, the rekordbox compatible song search system, the ability to adjust the start and stop curve more accurately (using Beats instead of a slider bar)… and surely some others, but there are also things that Denon does much better, which I’m not going to list, since there are many… you have to understand that they are different brands and they don’t have to do the same as the other brand, they do more to stay ahead of them over time. I would never buy Pioneer Alpha Teta equipment again, or whatever they’ve chosen to call it now, no matter how standard it is.
But you have to admit that some things are even better on Pioneer, but it’s not worth it for me. I prefer to learn and adapt to Denon.
I’ve had my 4 and my Go for 4 years, and I’m happier every day.
Thanks @Denon
I have to say that my Experience with Prime 4+ has been less that positive. Support have been responsive but Engine DJ has not live to the expectation.
I have my issues with Pioneer, Prime 4+ construction is incredibly superior but when it comes down to functionality it does falls short. The asset Management have a lot to be desire, everything is click and drag the functionality in general is not scalable. There is no assist for music selection or proper search capabilities. The integration with Prime 4+ and engine DJ is not robust. A lot of it have to do with poor choices and technology driven decisions without considering final users and the limitation of being a stand alone unit. Ex. updating libraries, the sampler, the stems, the dependency on proprietary metadata, I can keep going and now my unit have the right cue button not working. I have to send the unit to the factory for guarantee at my cost, after complaining I got them to pay for the delivery but I am still working the packaging situation. It is exhausting. I have consider retirement due to the amount of issues. Over 7 month and I am still trying to overcome the short commings of the unit.
I have consider retiring after this experience. I have been force to limit the use of the unit to a controller as the internal OS don’t meet professional DJ requirements. That does not make it worst or better that Pioneer. Pioneer have their own set of shortcomings. But in general is a shame that Denon haven’t been able to come up with a decent solution, considering the amount of opportunities for this market. Denon wont go to a standard status until they don’t fix some serious issues with the units as well as their solutions.
Best,
J.
Can you give some specific examples of these shortcomings you speak of? ive read your comment and aside from a broken cue button, i cant make out a single specific example of issues you’re having.
Where can I learn of these professional DJ requirements.
Ive personally found the Prime 2 to be one of the most powerful DJ devices ive ever used. As a unit for bar gigs for a DJ who just wants to mix music, its absolutely perfect. Great search functionality, good suite of FX, nice layout for FX controls (far better than the ‘industry standard’), fader echo is really useful, match is powerful, touch FX are good, clear visuals on screen.
Id love to know a list of shortcomings too, to try and understand what makes people so unhappy with these units.
The overall “plot” of this story is much like almost any other product.
Even in this tiny thread, one person says that a particular characteristic of their chosen Prime was -Less- than pioneer, or their expectation of that characteristic… but yet, another person can pick out that same characteristic and say that for them, that characteristic was much better or did more than pioneer or their expectations.
Essentially it’s like the Swiss Army Knife or the smartphone …. Some of the swing out tools or menu options will be better for some people, now so good for others. A high percentage of people will use 3 or 4 of the same wing out tools as everyone else but all the remaining tools / menus may never get used. Doesn’t mean they’re poor features or unneeded or worthless - for some people, those features will be amazing and a unique selling point.
The main thing that can generate a “less than I expected” after sales “review” be it verbal, thought, or written, is less pre-purchase research or hands-on product testing.
All I’m going to say is, I love your V.I.N.CENT avatar.
Just wanted to say… thank you for posting your comments, as they really are helpful to others! Do ignore all the angery replies here. People do not understand that comments are useful for product development, informing other consumers, and for even sharing tips and technique. There are a lot of different workflows, and folks coming from a lot of different past gear.
It’s strange that no one mentioned the music itself, she doesn’t care.
Nobody is angry (or angery if that’s what you mean), they are just pointing out flaws in some of the claims, and asking for specifics when people are saying things.
Surely based on your need for ‘consumer information’ that is open, honest and informative you want to avoid misinformation being spread? After all how is that in any way useful to someone making a purchase decision?
I did learn however that there seems to be a minor difference how Pioneer and Denon behave when setting a cue point. Not having used sync enough on Pioneer to know if it’s an advantage or not, I wont comment on it any further. But it is very possible the OP meant this difference, but failed to express himself correctly. If he would, we might have had a totally different discussion.
As always, much goes lost in translation on a forum like this…
Agreed on this, and yes as someone who doesnt use Sync myself, i wont comment on any advantages or disadvantages.
The OP does clearly state that they are talking about sync being disabled when you touch the platter, so i think this cue point behaviour, whilst seemingly different between systems is not what they mean here.
However I think Prankie has found a good talking point there around the cue behaviour.
I think those things should be discussed further by those having experience with it. These small differences can matter in the feel of a product. Remember the stir I made about “platter hold + CUE”? Or, why has “shift + press loop encoder” no function, while on a Traktor X1 it reactivates a loop? Or why my temporary loop still keeps randomly deactivating when repeatedly pressing CUE? Such small things are way more relevant when preparing your mix against the time of the previous track thicking away than for example stacked waveforms or STEMS.
I am not going so far to say Denon is no pro product, but here and there the platform can use some polish, a feeling I never had with Traktor.…
Yeah agreed, definitely plenty of room for polishing off many areas of the OS, samples being another good one, we got the basics, now for a more advanced sampler.
“Not Professional” was a strong statement, it comes from the frustration of what it could be vs where is at, apologies if I offended anyone. This can be a sensitive conversation. Apologies also if I came across vague and not as factual.
I am a big fan of Denon and most of my systems have been Denon once I moved to the digital realm. I haven’t been able to buy into Pioneer after using the system for quite some time and definitely I am not a fan of Serato. I agree with some of the comments where I haven’t been able to find anything like Traktor. Maybe the bar I set is too high. I haven’t tested the Pioneer stand alone units, therefore I can only go from my requirements.
My understanding is that Dennon has design this unit for the working DJ / Mobile DJs, Event DJs Etc. It has been promoted with that purpose. This is a very different work from a club DJ. Based on that statement I came up with my conclusions.
In regards to performance it is admirable what they have done in regards to a stand alone unit. The level of detail in regards to small features and functionality is admirable. Having said that there are things they could have done better. The drop sampler is a fun toy but not powerful enough to be considered professional. The stems are limited to have them pre prepared, there is no “just in time” feature. The storage is complicated, not flexible and the hierarchy management is flaky for the stem assets. As many of the features these are not scalable. I had a lot of conversations with InMusic about it. None of the tickets got resolution, only agree on the fact that Engine does not have those capabilities. The dependency on proprietary metadata like Hot Cues and jump beat is limiting in my case.
For an event DJ the stand alone features are not flexible enough forcing you to go back to the computer constantly. The laptop really does not go away as advertised. This applies to light management and music management capabilities. I-tunes is useful but if you don’t have internet connection is not very helpful. I do have other reservations with the I-tunes service but that will be for another conversation. I also noticed that when using the internal OS the sound of the fxs and the sound in general have a very distinct “color”. That makes the blends more challenging. I have compared the sound to my MP24 and my rotary mixer.
More importantly in Engine DJ, as a software, many of the features are not scalable and the features haven’t been focus on working in bulk tasks. This becomes very evident when you are working with multiple set ups, across multiple systems, and administrating big music libraries, is just not enough. The construction of the Prime 4+ is incredibly solid. It does not feel like a toy. In general it is a good concept with a lot of potential. But there is a lot of work to be done.
Except, it doesn’t. For some, very professional users, the standalone features are ideal for on-stage presentations