Agree, as I tried to communicate in my message, my opinion is based on my user case. When I do those type of gigs or presentations, usually there is a set up installed already, and usually is Pioneer. I am not trying to be contentious, There is a place for everything, you are right as well sir!
I still think those with very large libraries (events DJs) should be using a laptop for their music, it’s a much better workflow and the larger screen, massive hard drive, additional features in desktop software just cater to that crowd better.
I honestly believe InMusic were focused on dance music DJs when they defined the Prime range, those who are usually into a particular genre and mixing music like house etc.
The fact those event type DJs seem to have latched onto the brand has caught them off guard imo, most things in the OS are geared towards people like me, 5/6000 tracks, blending music, bit of FX, recording set, plugging into a bar sound system, maybe an odd bit of slicer etc.
When you look at who on the forum gets on most with the platform, having the least issues, it’s the DJs who are similar to me, people like @djliquidice @KrisONeil etc.
Just my thoughts/2 pence on the matter of course.
Out of curiosity - which basic functions is it that you have to double-check constantly?
I did the switch 3-4 years ago from Pioneer (after 20 years) to Denon, and always found the basics to be rock solid. Could come down to individual workflow, but might also be some behaviors that can be fixed in the settings/preferences ![]()
I try my best, coach.
I “grew up” in the club scene, and mix as a House/Trance club DJ. The SC6000Ms do very well in my performance scenarios (example). They are plenty flexible for what I do.
Don’t get me started on Engine DJ. It really needs investment and I’ve shouted from the mountain tops and was pretty much ignored. The limitations of Engine DJ have caused me to create my own Software Tools, which should not be expected by end users.
All in all, I could just as easily poke holes at the Pioneer OS as well as their desktop software. I see loads of issues with how their desktop app is coded (using Unity Game Engine for example), all the way down to some of the limitations of their standalone players.
Nothing software-based is anywhere near perfect. Full Stop.
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Love it.
Rekordbox is terrible tbh, the UI is horribly unintuitive for managing your music and exporting to USB. Like how many pop up windows do I need for dragging a folder into a playlist. Engine just adds the new tracks each time no questions asked.
And don’t even get me started on the ‘update collection’ nonsense that you have to remember each time you export new music, forget that and you ain’t finding your new tracks when you get to the gig.
People go on like Alphatheta are operating some kind of software nirvana because they are industry standard, when in fact it’s terrible.
Moin @STU-C,
my most preferred effect, but after a little bit more than four years drill on the gear, I’m still not perfect in effecting this feature at the right moment and hit the right downbeat (changing between blue / green signal) and persisting on the proper tap.
And the beat goes on Brgds BeatMaster
Not entirely true, I am that type of DJ, and gig without the laptop…
Ofcourse a Traktor laptop was easier to use in some cases, especially when browsing through massive collections. But the SC6000 is the first platform that allows me to ditch the laptop. That was not possible on a CDJ2000, and would be very hard on a CDJ3000. With the SC6000 there are definitely trade-offs, but I manage ![]()
I’m with you. I don’t spend too much time obsessing over grid tweaking. I’ve have 40 years of mixing experience. I can figure out my mixes no matter what so they sound seamless.
XDJ-RR is one of the worst systems I’ve ever played on, though better than a broken Behringer. I suppose if all you do is use sync or do what it tells you to do, it’s decent enough, but as someone who manually DJs, it was barely useable and never a joy to operate.
OI agree on that. I had a go on the RR too, and it was very bad, plastic and in general far away from their usual setup experience. And sounds horribly compared to other gear…
if you think that is bad, has anyone tried the OG XDJ-R1? now that was a shocker… and unless you had an ipad, was a nightmare to find music on.
Hard agree on this, Rekordbox is undoubtably powerful but it does its best to obscure it behind a ludicrously bad UI. Just doing the core operations is far, far more painful than it should be (who uses globally modal dialogs for anything?!)
That’s odd I went from the FLX10 to the Prime 4+ and I thought the pads were definitely superior on the FLX10. That’s really my only complaint between the two. I miss the larger jog wheels bit, but Denon’s offering of all in one with lighting built in just can’t be beat for mobile DJs.
Did you turn the slip function on?