Everything dj related for samplers takes on a daw approach. The daw format is not efficient and requires you to engage in a lot of presetting.
Once something modernized comes out that you can build all the elements for a track, from nothing in less than 15 seconds, just by simply turning the unit on then you will see a mass exodus beyond biblical proportions. I bet in the first month after the unicorn is released there will be at least 50k of people on YouTube making review videos about it.
Any company wishing to make samplers should take a look at what a loopstation does and incorporate a bit of what it into their products.
Unfortunately for me I’m looking for a replacement centrepiece unit for production and so far all that’s out there are add ons and I already have enough of those.
I made a complete document about the looper/sampler/remix station for djs and handled it over to Denon dj staff. Including dj oriented workflow. Pioneer with its djs-1000 ticks almost all the boxes. And yes it loops instantly as You mentioned. I want denon to go even further. To loop ahead in the tracks that are currently played on sc media players via link…
There is a lot to talk about here, but not all is meant to be in this public area for now…
This is relative to how one is using it. One can mistaken an illusion for something real.
Just remember that I said this
They should because all it is now is an expensive add on for the rc505 in it’s current state. They would need to release a tabletop version of in line with the rc 505.
Skip to near the end of this video to see what this individual mentioned.
There is a reason the rc 505 has been selling units. 16 bit 44.1 is CD quality recording but you need add ons with the ability to process 24+bit effects. In order to have pristine quality recording one must have access to eq, reverb and delay of the highest quality. This is why loopstation competitions are allowing add ons. The Line6 helix is now recognized as the defacto effector for the loopstation.
Here’s a video of someone rinsing a loopstation as is. Pay attention to how the second guy performs and you understand what I mean.
And here is what it sounds like with add ons.
Before you view this video lock your doors and check under you bed. The Antichrist is about to perform a set so good That everybody thought he was cheating. He wasn’t and now he’ll be judging future competitions.
Check the video how looping and sampling is done on dsj-1000.
In my idea the goal is to have the loop downloaded via link and synced before it reaches the loop out point on the deck the first time.
Another goal is to have the sampler “look ahead” in the track for samples - you can play the track like normal, but looper can have it via link accessible and You can scroll and chop it as You want.
I do know how it’s done and I know what everybody wants and they’re all good things. I do know when these these machines come out they’ll be awesome but they’ll all be missing the things that I would actually use a sampler for.
I’ve held off for so long on getting a sampler to incorporate into my dj set. I’ve used a Koassilator which was fun but got limited with their preset sounds. It’s also dated now. I’ve also used a Korg beat pad hooked up to my laptop (with Ableton and FL Studio), but like you said, it requires more preparation than I’d like. With all this being said, is there something you’d recommend that can fit the slot for sampler and/or something like the Kaossilator that has built-in synths that we can use for risers/fillers/etc?
That Roland one you linked looks decent. I checked out the beats they produced and some of them sound nice (but some did have sounds like you’d hear on a Pringles commercial lol).
What are people using as a standalone setup for just synths/riser-type sounds?
I have the Roland mc101 but I bought it so I can lay on my couch and make beats.
I only use the dry sounds for synths as the effects that I use to fatten things up will be the same effects in some form for the whole track so there nothing to clashing in the background.
It takes me back to the Redsound Soundbite Pro. I still have mine and although I’ve not used it in a while it still works.
I actually bought it from the designer on eBay and it was a prototype model used in the offices. They was a British company and had a US version licensed to Peavy as the Grabber. I also had the original Cycloops when that launched. Even now they have seamless recording of loops from analogue sources.
Can you incorporate the Roland Verse into any DAW as well? I see they’re pushing you to use Zen Beats, so I’m wondering if you can start the track on the Verse then take it to a program?
EDIT: I also have an x1850. How does having one benefit using the Roland Verse? What do you gain from it?
I don’t have the Roland verse I have the mc101 and a loopstation.
On my x1850 I plug the mc101 in ch1, deck A ch2, deck B ch3, loop station ch 4, plug the mixer sends into the loop station and then plug in midi cables.
The only downfall is the drift when changing tempo.
You could use most of Roland’s products just as a sound module too.
It’s a fantastic bit of kit. The original Cycloops sells on eBay for more than they cost new back in the early 20l00s.
I was lucky to pay £120 on eBay around 8 years ago when they wrapped up the business.
They have a filter and pitch shifter so that filters any incoming signal.
EDIT: I just noticed that the PVDJ Grabber was only the Soundbite XL in disguise and not the Soundbite Pro. The Pro had 1GB storage and can manage the samples on a computer. It was good for loading your own or sampling from a record and importing to Ableton etc. It was highly underrated and back before we have the tech we have now, was super fun.
Just checked and they are demanding around £500 on Reverb. Ouch.
