Which content platform, and why?

[Parysatis]

Well, you have had your chance …

As the founder of an underground label, I have to disagree with much of what you have said, based on my own experience and the hard work that goes into even starting a label …

I support the artists by buying their music, not the record label.

This is an illusion. You might not realize how little money is actually made from selling records, especially in the underground scene. Every cent counts, and that includes what goes to the label, which often operates on a tiny budget. Also, for the record, I wear no suit and I am not greasy …

if you’re promoting their music for free by using it in a DJ set

Honestly, it’s about you and your DJing and your set. You are having fun. As a fellow DJ I have fun too, I love mixing. Claiming that you’re promoting the music is a bit self-serving. Playing a track in your set is about creating a vibe, not about promotion. Or do you announce the tracks to the crowd, next we have Parysatis with a 9 minutes Acid High-Flyer on a mysterious 10" white label, which you can all buy on Bamm!camp right now? Limited edition, grab your copy only 303 were made. Buy. It. Now! Or cry acid-free tears later after the drop … and heeere we gooo!

I have no problem admitting that I play tracks, simply because I love them and because they dice the club and shift it into hyperspace … I am a DJ, not a promoter. I take a certain pride in what I do. And I am not happy with the situation either. But the problem is not solved by sugarcoating what I do. The solution is to use a service which promises to deal with the legal implications. Mixcloud is my choice.

If you had a show or podcast Best New Vinyl of the Week, you would contact all labels before the show. And labels would contact you. All the big channels on YouTube do this, they have contacts and get the music to be promoted there. This is promotional networking.

There are legitimate ways to promote new music: write blog posts, link to bandcamp pages, repost their stuff on social media, write encouraging comments … and sorry, the reality and intention of DJ mixes is not promotion. And not everybody doing something with music is a greasy suit person. You are just peeved, because YouTube took down your mixes.

I will now go away and touch a tree …

[STU-C]

I’m not bothered specifically about my mixes being taken down, I have 5 followers and about 300 views on the video, I don’t post them for self promotion. If I was bothered about that I’d be paying for boosts on social media etc. it’s purely for enjoyment, at nearly 44 I’m way past the age of trying to ‘make it’

My issues are with the industry as a whole and its approach to copyright, and how the main platforms for posting content are the worst for keeping that content up, unless it suits them.

I think we as DJs do promote the music, I DJ at various venues, people will ask for the name of music I’m playing, or Shazzam it, that then leads to them potentially buying or streaming it which leads to income for the owner of the music. It’s not self serving as I was referring to all DJs not just me, every time we get asked what a track is, there’s a potential purchase.

I’m also not calling everybody greasy, especially not indie labels…. This is purely aimed at these giants who are just massive money making machines, who couldn’t give two hoots about the music, they just want to exploit artists for coin.

Honestly I think Bandcamp and the likes are the best thing to happen to music, so smaller artists can get their work out there without involving those leaches.

[DJBode]

You don’t have to delete the sets that are beyond the 10. You have 10 “public” mixed allowed. Just keep the other ones “hidden” (they refer to it via other term, but same thing). Even though I’m now paying for a “pro” account --and happy to do so-- I had more than 10 mixes uploaded by the time the new settings had come into effect.

[STU-C]

Ah nice, didn’t know that, great info.

[miro_thedj]

Hopefully you foudn MIXCLOUD app they cover any of that.

[Amy_Zaheer]

Holy Mother.

I hear you, STU-C.

They’re all talking past the actual point and replacing it with something easier to argue against, lol. The confusion wasn’t about copyright law. Repeating “it doesn’t belong to you” is a deflection, PKtheDJ shifted the discussion from how the system works to basic ownership, which nobody disputed.

The topic was actually about the selective enforcement. The same content gets taken down from smaller DJs, but stays up when posted by bigger channels or brands.

And some users here didn’t address that, instead they do this:

• “there’s right and wrong” © PKtheDJ (oversimplification that ignores how rules are applied in reality)
• “you’re just peeved / projecting” © Parysatis (dismissing the argument instead of engaging with it)
• “go touch a tree” © Parysatis (lol, not even an argument, just noise, and not nice at all, btw)

If this was really about principles, the rules would be applied consistently. They aren’t. Some here are not defending real justice and freedom as they may think, but crooked laws that someone once wrote + someone else’s and their own greed.

And here’s the contradiction you’re avoiding: are you actually talking about love for music (hey, Parysatis) or about justifying hard control and monetization?

Because including a track in a DJ mix is a form of support. It’s how music circulates, gets discovered, and lives beyond its original release. A person can do the whole mix out of love for the cause, but that doesn’t negate the fact that it’s a support. And on the contrary, do you believe that all those popular DJs just “love what they do”? LOL, Parysatis. Dismissing that as “self-serving” while insisting everything must be licensed and controlled is not some moral high ground, it’s just a different form of self-interest.

If nothing can be shared without permission, then by that logic: don’t make music, don’t DJ, don’t publish anything, because everything becomes locked behind payment and control. No life, no love. Life and love shouldn’t be controlled.

But that’s not what any of you actually want. You want access, exposure, and culture to keep flowing - just without acknowledging the contradictions in how the system works.

So the primary question still stands, why do the same rules suddenly become flexible depending on who you are?

Until that’s addressed, repeating “it’s illegal” doesn’t prove anything, it just avoids the point.

And honestly, reading these dismissive replies from Parysatis and PKtheDJ here was unpleasant. The OP wasn’t asking for a lecture or moral posturing. Most responses defaulted to defensiveness and tone over substance. So, Parysatis, it’s not nice, even though you called for it, and also defended the statements of someone who wasn’t nice at all too. You both attacked the victim and decided you were right.

Replying to the original topic: I would choose Hearthis.at.

[djliquidice]

Welcome to the community @Amy_Zaheer !