Tracks dragged are not added in order

Why bother replying when you don’t know what a playlist is?

It’s literally posted in an Engine desktop part of the forum, why would it be a serato playlist? or an itunes one, it’s a denon engine playlist in the engine denon app, everyone with an IQ in double digits got that, apart from you.

You’re right clarity is everything, it’s a shame Denon doesn’t have a block function so people who have your sort of very poor attitude and understand can just be blocked. Then the forum would have a lot more clarity.

But now you know with clarity what the issue is, you still don’t have a fix.

Files in a specific order in a windows explorer folder, as per the manual are dragged into an engine desktop playlist, why are they not in the same order?

You can do that it’s the # order. The issue is if your files were in an arbitary order, for example for an awards ceremony and you’re playing a certain track for each award. So it’s not BPM artist title or any other colum, Engine loses the order when you drag the files in.

Thanks Stu-C, you are correct I can re-order them, which was one bit I was missing.

But my original “bug/complaint” still exists.

If you drag files in a specific order into a playlist, engine doesn’t keep that order.

So I guess the advice is sort them in engine not explorer, but it’s annoying none the less.

Ahhhh ok I get you, the actual import doesn’t retain its order. I assume it just defaults to ‘artist’ or something then?

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Yeah I’d need to do some testing, but it’s definitely not in the order that you drag over.

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I never see any of this as I have it set to date added descending on desktop then BPM on my device.

Where are you getting this stuff from? At no point in this thread did I say that i don’t know what a playlist is. If I honestly need to repeat myself, I simply asked you to clarify what kind of playlist you had, in order to provide an appropriate answer.

And no, Engine DJ doesn’t magically know what order your files are in when you drag them from somewhere. It uses its own database, with its own sorting order. It can’t possibly know in advance how they’re sorted outside of the software.

“What kind of playlist? What format?”

So please list the kinds of playlists that are available, in Engine DJ Software | Engine DJ (Mac & PC) as that’s what forum we are in.

Then please enlighten us all with your wisdom on all the formats we can choose in Engine DJ Software | Engine DJ (Mac & PC) as that’s what forum we are in.

This is not the first time it’s been noted that you’re less than helpful in the forums perhaps being nice and helpful isn’t for you?

The only person that didn’t get it, was you. The only person who wasn’t helpful was you. The only person who was rude and argumentative was you.

and guess what, if the forums had a blocker, guess who the only person in most peoples bozo bin would be?

Finally lets address your lack of knowledge again.

This is from the manual

"Adding & Deleting Tracks from Playlists To add tracks to a playlist or sub-playlist, click and drag tracks from the track list onto the destination playlist or sub-playlist. The tracks will be numbered according to the order they were added to the playlist. You can add up to 1,000 tracks to each playlist.

Tell me again why you think that files dragged in an order shouldn’t appear in THAT order in Engine and perhaps go tell whoever wrote the manual they are wrong.

have you tried sorting by the # column on the far left of the playlist? it should have numbered your tracks in order of their input into the playlist, providing you havent renumbered them yourself?

Morning Stu-C, yes tried that, that was when I then was trying to re-order it.

I’ll do some experimentation on Sunday and see what order from explorer gives vs what they end up with in the playlist.

It’s definitely a bug, however with the re-order rather than manual it’s not quite as big a bug as I first thought.

Still annoying if you’ve got a folder with your music prepped in it.

I might try and do the same in serato / rekordbox / vdj and see what they do as well.

In explorer will they not all be in filename order by default? or can you randomly order them like you can on a desktop?

Im just looking on Windows explorer now and my desktop is ordered completely randomly but as soon as i open it in explorer it has to be sorted by one of the columns, which to me is consistent with DJ software lists.

If you’re only talking 70 tracks then drag them in 1 by 1 & they’ll stay in the order you drag them in, it’ll only take about 2 or 3 seconds a track.

If you were talking about 700 then fair enough but for the sake of a 70 track playlist this is probably the quickest option.

To be fair I only use A-Z & swipe quickly or use the search bar so I can’t recall what option you have for organizing track lists apart from the obvious.

Is there not an option to sort via meta data? As you said you numbered the tracks in order via the meta data.

yeah its called ‘Track #’ in the list of sorting options Andy, that uses the track number metadata to sort. Im usually ‘date added’ descending or BPM ascending when i DJ on the Prime.

What about that setting in the settings show tracks via file name or meta data would that help him Stu?

Yeah i guess so, i think ive always just had it on metadata, would need to change it on mine to see what it does.

I’ve always used file name, I presume using meta data shows the artist in the selection screen as well yes/no? I must check this myself but I’m about to get on a plane to Cyprus :grin:

My lack of knowledge? That quote applies when dragging from “the track list” i.e.they’re already in Engine DJ. It doesn’t say anything about dragging from outside Engine DJ.

It also says “according to the order they were added”, meaning the order in which you dragged the files (individually). It does not say “the order in which they were sorted”.

It’s been a loooooong time since I had to work with the Windows API, but if things haven’t changed then a mass drag and drop of files from explorer into an app doesn’t guarantee supplying them in the same sort order. That is, the receiving app just receives an unsorted collection of files (or at least it used to), which may or may not be in the same order as they were selected. It might not be Engine’s “fault” at all.

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Your input isn’t really valued here “PK” feel free to be snarky on someone else’s question who might associate some value with your unhelpfulness?

here’s the bit of the manual you haven’t read again.

"To add tracks to Engine DJ, use one of the following methods: • Click and drag a track or folder from Explorer (Windows) or Finder (macOS) onto the track list or Collection pane. You can do this with single or multiple tracks or folders. When adding a folder to the track list, the tracks contained will be added to the current playlist, if one is selected.

So look at that, the manual disagrees with you for a 3rd time.

It says what I am doing is completely valid, dragging from explorer to a playlist selected.

However I do think you should have a go at denon, because I know this bugs you, they’ve not been very clear in that document about Engine DJ Desktop software, what sort of playlist and in what format they are referring to.

Looking forward to you pulling them up on that - good luck on getting them to “clarity” to your level eh.

The rest of us can work it out just fine

…and the part that you’re not understanding (or choosing to ignore) once again:

That quote does NOT say that the order of tracks dragged in will be maintained. It just says that tracks can be dragged.