The one and only…. Mojaxx! 
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With a great video packed with actual facts about the update:)
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On a basic level the issue here is that you imagine that your many years of DJing gives you superior insight into hardware product design and feature planning. It would be like me, someone with many years of product design and feature planning experience, telling you how to DJ and what the right way to DJ is. I get that you want certain features when you want them, and that’s legitimate, but that doesn’t make you an expert on how to run a hardware business 
I’d love for them to contribute to the ‘post your mixes here’ thread so we can see what this superior 49 years of DJing amounts to… so far all we have is lots of noise, and none of it is coming out of their speakers.
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Neat. So, it’s sort of similar in results to the Tascam CD-302’s vocal remover (and inverse of) that used mid-side processing that was frequency specific, but in this case more elaborate processing and much better sounding results. That’s a laudable first step for stems-type stuff in Prime, IMO.
Now if everyone adopted a standard file type for saving stems (e.g. Traktor’s one) then we could for example do the analysis and saving on VDJ then play back on the hardware.
That way everyone gets to play. Surely easier to implement reading and playback of those files than to separate in real time.
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Fully agree PK, the desktop software should be the catalyst for the Stems function imo. But then we can already see the detractors complaining about having to use a laptop etc if that was the route, regardless of how sensible an approach it is.
If the saving of separated stems becomes a thing across the board (VDJ, Rekordbox, Traktor, Serato) then it makes most sense to save to a common format, because DJs can and do switch between different software/hardware, and last thing we want is having to analyse again because we changed kit.
Watch them all be proprietary amongst brands so none of it compatible, 10tb hard drives anyone lol:)
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Serato already has the ability to pre-analyze stems for those running slower PC’s, but the resulting files are pretty large. (IIRC 4x the size of the original file). IMO Serato’s stems sound great. If InMusic can strike a deal with Serato and bring that same algorithm to Engine DJ, it’d be pretty baller. I think it’d save InMusic a lot of headaches, and would maybe move the industry towards what you’re suggesting.
I know some programs can already save stems. What I’m saying is the file format needs to be compatible with other DJ software/hardware so the saved files can be played on anything.
not holding my breath on universal stems compatibility when it’s still so difficult to get a flash drive to work properly across systems. these companies have absolutely zero interest in cooperating with each other (though Denon is a bit of an exception here, of course), unfortunately, and we consumers will continue suffering as a result.
in any case: freakin stems!! on a denon standalone! this is a great day.
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I know. I’m just elaborating on what you’re saying, with an option for InMusic to work with Serato… IF either company is open to it.
…but Serato’s stems aren’t the best, and presumably only work in Serato - so no they shouldn’t team up with Serato. I mentioned Native Instruments stems format because it’s open (for anyone to use without any licensing or fees etc.)
Traktor doesn’t do real-time stems analysis right? I don’t think it’s fair to compare Serato’s stems against Traktor’s, since Traktor’s relies on someone setting up the Stems files way beforehand.
I think quality-wise Serato’s are more than adequate, and I’d argue is on par if not slightly worse than VDJ’s 2.0 stems.
I think if you were to rank the current real-time stems from worst to best, you’d get something like:
Djay (Spleeter) = Rekordbox < Serato < VDJ 2.0
The reason I brought up Serato is because it’s like #2 in market share, after Pioneer/Rekordbox. (Also bc I’m a selfish Serato user and would love it if InMusic made the Serato integration better)
VDJ’s stems may be the best technically, but the way Serato has mapped their stems to hardware makes them the most fun to play with.
I always found VDJ to be the most flexible and powerful in terms of mapping of any DJ software, so I suppose the benefit of Serato in that regard must be the default factory maps that don’t require any user effort to set up.
Which 99% of us who cba messing around with back end settings appreciate.
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Agreed.
the Keep it stupid simple approach of Serato to stems is fire and goes fine with my DJ workflow.
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Not at the moment but they did say it’s on their roadmap.