I’m not sure how the 6K could be improved hardware related. A few tweaks but mostly the hardware is sound.
It’s the software where the real magic happens and that’s got lots of scope to be developed further.
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And zero brand to brand integration.
It’s been years now and you still cannot use a Rane controllers instead of LC6000 which is… interesting to say the least…
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I don’t see how the Ranes are relevant considering they’re strictly controllers now, but the screen in the middle of the platter makes me think it’s very close to being able to have touch capability, too. I don’t expect the Performer to have that, but the NI S4 mk3 pulled off both motor and touch in one, and having both non-M and M models of Prime player separates doesn’t make a whole lot of sense going forward if InMusic can manage it. We know InMusic can pull off a full-size hybrid turntable, though.
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The main axis of development for the next generation of equipment will have to be computing power to meet the requirements of new uses such as stems.
stems are the next revolution in the evolution of DJing. And raw computing power is essential to calculate the separation in an acceptable time while using high quality separation algorithms on 4 distinct stems (vocal / instrumental / bass / drums) on the fly and without any compromise on any what a track from a collection without any pre-analysis on a computer.
The current generation may see stems arrive but if this happens the limited power of current hardware will certainly force developers to make choices and find compromises between analysis time, quality of separation and number of stems. .
Because if we have 2 minutes of analysis for a song that is 3 minutes with the current hardware it will be complicated to use it on each track.
the next generation will have to be able to calculate the separation in less than 20 seconds to be truly effective.
Maybe the Rane brand will do better with engine dj then Denon Dj will.
Anyways there’s no difference in the motor between my sc 5000m and my Rane one. We all know that btw.
The powers at be probably decided to incorporate the new platter design as featured on the Rane performer into the Denons.
I believe the new sc6000 series will be updated with the Amazon feature to the +plus version but with new jogs also. The decks will most likely be the exact same.
Whatever wishy washy wants can always be handled on the software side.
You say this as if its past tense?
Do we know this forthcoming Rane unit has different or new platters? as far as i can see we’ve only seen a photo and short 20 second video of it being used so far. No other info.
I wasn’t really referring to the quality of the motor in my previous comment when I mentioned build quality, I was thinking more of components like faders and other mixer components.
The day denon comes out with an x1900 with mini innofaders on all the upfaders and the crossfader and they make sure they are easily replaceable, with the sound quality of the x1700 and the ethernet hub of the x1850 I would sell my djm 2000 for that one.
I’ve also had a Z2 for ages with mini innofaders and they work like new. Denon should certainly take a leaf out of NI’s book in terms of component selection and build quality. NI products are built like tanks with an excellent quality of finish for a very honest final cost! Even if it’s true that they don’t release much in the way of hardware these days.
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Totallly agree with this, & I’ll be hanging on to my Z2 for that very reason.
Just pop the front plate off & you’re in.
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I think the dual R-core power supplies and discrete analog outs on the X1700 are maybe an overly high bar, but their analog inputs are already pretty competent, including the phono stage. If they can achieve the digital-to-digital sound quality of X1700 when the X1900 is set to iso mode, then that may be sufficient in parallel with the rest of the sound quality, especially with the current EQ mode on the Prime mixers users can choose, too.
X18xx line seems over damped, like what Pioneer did on V10 vs DJM-900NXS2 & A9 but even more extreme… to point of sounding constipated and restrained at times. Others have even mentioned they believe there’s something wrong with the summing on them, which is hard to believe considering that’s the easiest part of the processing. I wonder if there’s a limiter doing something in there that we still can’t disable.
While I’m not sure discrete is really that necessary, they have the schematics to do it. Discrete would be pretty cool on the headphone amp. However, there’s some great near zero ohm IC-using headphone amp designs that companies are free to use.
Maybe just software updates could do a lot of improvement both on audio processing and features like headphone feed to booth, automatic cue side changing with cue selection, more integration with the players like linking layer & cue, etc. Hopefully possible on all the Prime mixers even with a third added.
An included ethernet hub is hopefully a given considering the Prime integration stuff.
Don’t the Innofaders have tension adjustment? That would be an interesting capability on upfaders.
Has InMusic ever utilized Innofaders before?
The Numark Scratch.
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Having never had to dismantle my Z2 to replace the mini innofaders, which are simply indestructible, I couldn’t say for sure. But it certainly seems to be the case.
What I can say is that the tension adjustments on the original mini innofaders of the z2 upfaders are perfect and the crossfader is as smooth as butter.
These faders are fantastic, we’re light years ahead of the entry-level Alps faders on the x1850.
I know that the numark scratch also uses a mini innofader for the crossfader but I don’t know if the upfaders are also mini innofaders
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Add a pair of LC6000s to your z2 and you’ve got the perfect setup: modular, easy to transport, quick to set up and ideal for small events with a laptop. And your LC6000s will be ideal companions for your Denon equipment. The LC6000 is very versatile.
You can buy a solder in innofader for the mixstream pro models too, obviously a bit different to what is being discussed here though.
The upfaders on the scratch almost certainly aren’t innofader
I’m not sure that many mixers apart from the Z2 have used innofaders for upfaders. I’m not even sure if any of the Rane models ever did.
Did old skool Rane use Penny and Giles faders?
Reloop Elite has mini Innofader Pro cross AND channel faders.
Come on where’s all the leakers?
We know this is the next flagship platter.
Maybe Rane will take over the single standalone units over from the Denon line and Denon will just stick to the all in ones🤔
I hope that the next player will have much less hard and stiff pads, more sensitive with more travel. Because to be honest the current pads of the SC6000/M, LC6000 are really hard and uncomfortable if I compare them with the pads of my Z2 which are super pleasant to use.
Considering the price of a flagship player, we should at least have Akai pads, sensitive even if they are smaller.
Having hard and stiff pads on a “Budget” unit like a mixstream pro or a sc live is conceivable, but on a so-called “high-end” player it’s quite a shame
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I hope not. I love denon single decks - they are looking way better than raw rane design.
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Don’t tell me that you wouldn’t welcome the Rane performer’s platters on the next M version of the single deck units or do you prefer the current platters?