The basics options are not there in engine DJ desktop!

[Jerome_Mathues]

For the moment, I use the label field to write the color (red, green,…)

Your solution is not bad but it’s not normal to have to work like that when ALL DJ SOFTWARES have color management. We are not asking to have a huge color palette but basic colors would be normal.

Finally, I manage my library with Lexicon. This allows me to edit my library as I want, also allows filters with the “OR” condition in the smartplaylists. It also manages color… I can write the rating directly in the ID3 tag.

Personally, I’m not a big fan of library management using software other than the original software (Engine).

The problem is that, as soon as engine DJ updates the desktop version, there is a potential risk of compatibility errors with Lexicon. By the time Lexicon updates, you’re stuck. The chances of this happening are minimal but they exist.

On the other hand, I would like to congratulate the developers for version 4.0 of engine OS. There, you set the bar very high in terms of standalone mixer interfaces. Congratulations!

Just don’t forget that the Desktop part and the OS part must both be efficient for a better user experience.

[djrodrigovolta]

I agree with you my friend.

The option I gave here is temporary, that is, we hope that one day the developers will implement the Colors column in EDJ Desktop and consequently, in EOS (even though the track list view is summarized and not in columns like on Desktop) . I used Lexicon to migrate from Serato Mac to Serato PC and organize my library and export to EDJ, so the tracks that I had recorded colors in, Lexicon wrote the corresponding color in the LABEL column. However, unfortunately, this column is not visible in the equipment’s track list, as it shows summary mode there, so ART being there helps a lot. Yes, you need third-party software for this, but it’s the only way I found to get around this problem.

Unfortunately, the developers don’t care much about the requests here, at least this option, which has been requested since 12/2021, has not yet been fulfilled. Other small corrections/implementations were also not addressed, such as when you select a track in the playlist and when you change the playlist and return to the previous one, the track you chose is no longer highlighted. This gets in the way a lot. It’s a simple thing to solve, but they don’t solve it! In version 3.0 they implemented a way to find and relocate lost files, however, it is still incomplete. There is no way to group these files in the playlist, there is no window to show which files are missing, similar to rb and Traktor so we can relocate them. Today we don’t have that and if there’s a track missing from the collection, we don’t have a friendly way to locate it!

EDJ is in version 4.0 and only EOS received real changes, very welcome by the way. Desktop hasn’t changed almost anything.

Anyway, all we can do is wait for their goodwill!

[Jerome_Mathues]

I think, unfortunately, the development part is 90% focused on the OS part with one important target: STEMS. Which would make Denon first on the market in terms of possibilities on a standalone system.

It’s very comprehensive in terms of marketing.

The problem is that library management is directly linked to usage on the standalone system.

Everyone has their own way of working and classifying their songs.

I have a friend who only has one playlist with all his songs. He only works by doing research.

As I have worked with VDJ for more than 10 years, I am quite difficult and demanding regarding database management and especially in terms of smartplaylist. As the possibilities on VDJ are endless in terms of smartlist filters I expected to find flexibility also on Engine Desktop. Your example with the lost files is, once again, proof that the engine desktop part is far too simple. Rekordbox is not better in terms of library management but, for me, it is still a step above the Engine desktop part.

There are a lot of DJs who use iTunes to manage their library. In RB it is possible to directly synchronize iTunes with the external drive using the synq manager.

In Engine desktop, you have to do so many manipulations to update your iTunes part that it becomes ridiculous to have to do that in 2024.

RB also manages colors.

The only thing we can hope is that, once the stems are added to the OS version, the developers will start working to have library management software that meets the standards of others.

I almost managed to convince a DJ friend to leave Pioneer for Denon.

He was impressed by the quality of the Prime 4+ and the interface for a much more attractive price than Pioneer. When he tried the Engine DJ desktop at home, he laughed and told me that the software was still under construction because it didn’t even have color management. He finally left for a Pioneer standalone.

In short, there is still a long way to go in terms of Engine Desktop. The colors will probably come after the toaster function on the engine OS

[djliquidice]

@Jerome_Mathues

The colors will probably come after the toaster function on the engine OS

This product once existed:

[djrodrigovolta]

This is true, my friend.

Yes, unfortunately the developers are focused on steam and we know it. However, small corrections and implementations should have already been made.

An absurdity that I think EDJ still doesn’t have is the software “remain” the position in which a song was highlighted in the playlist right after leaving one and returning to it. All DJ software has this and it is very basic. But EDJ doesn’t have it!

The automated way they implemented to find lost files is ridiculous. It looks like they put it there just to say that it exists. Many people don’t use Lexicon or iTunes to manage their music. The vast majority already do this in DJ software. So why not add a complete tool?

“Color” column: this has been a request for almost 3 years and so far, not even a shadow! All established DJ software on the market has a “Color” column in their playlists, why doesn’t EDJ yet?

Another thing that frustrates me is: why don’t they put a complete playlist view, with columns, etc. in EOS? This “summarized” form that they insist on leaving is very disruptive, as the tracks lack visual information such as the year, for example.

And finally, who told them that the best waveform is GREEN, BLUE and WHITE? It’s a tiring, nauseating look and for those with visual impairments, it’s very difficult. It could have color options such as monochromatic, RGB, blue, etc. like many DJ softwares have!

The impression I have is that developers are very rigid when it comes to small fixes and implementations. It reminds me of Apple with its iOS…

Now that version 4.0.0 has arrived, perhaps this is a start for them to begin to see what users want, after all, what would they be without us?

Furthermore, improve the quality of your products. They still appear to me to be fragile and weak products compared to Pioneer, for example. My SC Live 4 unit came with the two jog displays completely shifted to the right. Yes, it wouldn’t be a problem for me to fix this, but as the device is under warranty, I returned it to the supplier, but I don’t know if I have confidence in getting a new unit, since this type defect (which in my opinion was a quality control problem at the factory), it could appear again or any other defect.

Unfortunately Pioneer products are more expensive, maybe because share of market, or something like that, they abuse the price. And not that Pioneer is free from defects, but they are less frequent.

Unfortunately, this is the reality. So I think about whether or not I’ll keep it at Denon or go back to Pioneer.

[djliquidice]

@djrodrigovolta

Now that version 4.0.0 has arrived, perhaps this is a start for them to begin to see what users want, after all, what would they be without us?

Not sure how long you’ve been part of this community, but the product team do listen to feedback from users. Engine DJ is the result of great product leadership within InMusic and critical feedback from the community. If you want to be involved, get more involved in this community. Don’t just sit by the side and throw rocks.

@djrodrigovolta

The impression I have is that developers are very rigid when it comes to small fixes and implementations. It reminds me of Apple with its iOS…

This is the way of software. Focus mostly on what is driving sales and fix critical bugs. Small bugs that have easy workarounds are deprioritized. As I’ve told my teams and my clients – software is never done (while you’re working on it).

@djrodrigovolta

And not that Pioneer is free from defects, but they are less frequent.

Do you have actual data to prove this claim or is this an anecdotal hunch based on your feelings? As they say in the world of psychology: “Feelings are not facts”.

@djrodrigovolta

So I think about whether or not I’ll keep it at Denon or go back to Pioneer.

Switch back to pioneer if you’re this unhappy. No need sticking and wasting your valuable time using a product you’re so dissatisfied with. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[djrodrigovolta]

Denon fanboy detected!

@djliquidice

Not sure how long you’ve been part of this community, but the product team do listen to feedback from users. Engine DJ is the result of great product leadership within InMusic and critical feedback from the community. If you want to be involved, get more involved in this community. Don’t just sit by the side and throw rocks.

Yes, I really see that they listen to user feedback here. Clear. Only after 3 versions did they decide to add a feature to find lost files and until now I don’t even see the Color column left. For sure!

@djliquidice

This is the way of software. Focus mostly on what is driving sales and fix critical bugs. Small bugs that have easy workarounds are deprioritized. As I’ve told my teams and my clients – software is never done (while you’re working on it).

Sure. Implementations are made when it suits them. Small corrections are always welcome. For this there are alpha and beta versions of the software. Small implementations like some requested here in this community have not been addressed for a long time.

@djliquidice

Do you have actual data to prove this claim or is this an anecdotal hunch based on your feelings? As they say in the world of psychology: “Feelings are not facts”.

I don’t have facts to prove anything and I don’t need to, my friend. I don’t know who you are or what you do, but I don’t need to prove anything to you. I’ve been a DJ for over 25 years and have always had Pioneer, Technics and some Denon equipment. The only time I purchased current Denon DJ equipment it was defective. And a quality control defect on the factory floor. Of course, I know that this may have been a one-off case, but for me it doesn’t justify it and makes me think that current Denon DJ equipment is more fragile.

@djliquidice

Switch back to pioneer if you’re this unhappy. No need sticking and wasting your valuable time using a product you’re so dissatisfied with. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

I fully agree. I’m not a fanboy of any brand. I’ve used Pioneer, Vestax, Numark, American Audio, M-Audio, Technics, Denon (before becoming a Denon DJ) equipment, among others. But that doesn’t limit me from not criticizing and talking about a certain brand that surprised me negatively. Just as I don’t limit myself to praising a brand that brought me contentment and satisfaction.

Now, if you are a Denon fanboy and don’t know how to absorb opinions that are contrary to what you think, better seek help!

[STU-C]

@djrodrigovolta

Denon fanboy detected!

Sorry but

@djrodrigovolta

Color column

I know you keep banging this drum about colour coding, but you need to remember that this is only your own opinion of what makes the important feature list, as far as we know market research could have dictated that nowhere near enough people use it. Or alternatively head to the Serato forum and see the hundreds of threads asking why the ‘useless colour column’ exists and not star ratings.

[djliquidice]

@djrodrigovolta

Now, if you are a Denon fanboy and don’t know how to absorb opinions that are contrary to what you think, better seek help!

I’ve been spinning for > 25 yrs and have touched products every major brand out there with the exception of Ecler and Behringer – no thank you.

All that said, I don’t have a blind loyalty to this brand (or any others in the world), and I will call out thinly veiled threats about “switching back to pioneer”. Saying stuff like that might make you feel good but it won’t move the needle.

Of course you don’t have anything to prove to me – i never asked you to. I asked for the evidence - the data, and you can’t produce it. Now, you certainly could have qualified your statement with a simple “In my experience”.

If you want to help improve these products, then continue to post feedback and when you can, claims with evidence over just feelings.

I apologize if me calling your claims hurt your ego. That was not my intention.

[djrodrigovolta]

@djliquidice

I’ve been spinning for > 25 yrs and have touched products every major brand out there with the exception of Ecler and Behringer – no thank you.

All that said, I don’t have a blind loyalty to this brand (or any others in the world), and I will call out thinly veiled threats about “switching back to pioneer”. Saying stuff like that might make you feel good but it won’t move the needle.

Of course you don’t have anything to prove to me – i never asked you to. I asked for the evidence - the data, and you can’t produce it. Now, you certainly could have qualified your statement with a simple “In my experience”.

If you want to help improve these products, then continue to post feedback and when you can, claims with evidence over just feelings.

I apologize if me calling your claims hurt your ego. That was not my intention.

OK, I guess I was unfortunate in my writing. If it’s better for your understanding, yes, “based on my experience…”. As I told you, my unit arrived defective and this frustrated me and gave me the impression of weak equipment. Not only because of this, but because of several testimonials here in the community from people who purchased the Prime 4 and are faced with broken buttons, jogs that stop to work out of nowhere, among other things. I didn’t want to generalize that all Denon products are bad. No.

Yes, I have had some equipment from the brands I mentioned and based on my experience, I have never encountered problems of this type.

Opinions contrary to yours, mine and others will always exist. Take a look at the posts in this community and you will see a lot of people complaining and requesting implementations that have not yet arrived.

[djrodrigovolta]

@STU-C

I know you keep banging this drum about colour coding, but you need to remember that this is only your own opinion of what makes the important feature list, as far as we know market research could have dictated that nowhere near enough people use it. Or alternatively head to the Serato forum and see the hundreds of threads asking why the ‘useless colour column’ exists and not star ratings.

Your mistake, friend:

Color tag column - Feature Requests / New/Open Requests - Engine DJ Community

[STU-C]

Yes great, 36 people voted on it, you have proven me wrong beyond reasonable doubt.

I notice you said above that you recently purchased an SC-Live 4 then sent it back and are now considering not buying one again. Your previous posts on the forum were based around why you can’t buy Into the system, which kind of begs the question, what is your purpose for being here complaining about stuff? … some people would put it in the realm of ‘concern trolling’.

[djrodrigovolta]

But I don’t own this post here. I only contributed to the post, nothing more. Whether or not Denon follows this doesn’t matter. I’m not tied to any brand. If you don’t like it, just change it and life goes on! This won’t change my life. I have much more important things to worry about than that.

[djrodrigovolta]

I don’t understand what you mean…

[STU-C]

I was being sarcastic, the link you sent only has 36 votes, so it’s hardly a massively requested feature needed by everybody as you are stating. And like I said, ive been on the Serato forum for around 15yrs and I have seen countless threads with people complaining about the colour column and asking why there are no stars.

The overall point is, don’t push your own preferences as some kind of global agenda for why the company is somehow failing DJs. We all have our preferences and that is fine, but we have to accept we dont all need the same thing.

[djliquidice]

Thank you for taking the time to clarify. While i’ve not experienced major defects, i’ve experienced differences in products, such as one of four SC6000M screens has a different color profile. I can only imagine your frustration given the amount these devices cost. It absolutely sucks to unbox a brand new item only to recognize that it’s defunct. I’ve been there before. Sometimes QA just doesn’t catch things at the scale of production :(. I’ve had this happen with various enterprise products that cost tens of thousands of dollars.

My challenge to you was more around generalizations without actual data. That’s all.

The following implies that Denon ignores and doesn’t value its users:

@djrodrigovolta

Now that version 4.0.0 has arrived, perhaps this is a start for them to begin to see what users want, after all, what would they be without us?

I’m sure there are plenty of people here who experienced otherwise, including this person who posted a feature request in 2022 that got implemented recently. Sure, it’s two years or so after the request was made. It was done in a free software upgrade.

@djrodrigovolta

Opinions contrary to yours, mine and others will always exist. Take a look at the posts in this community and you will see a lot of people complaining and requesting implementations that have not yet arrived.

Diversity of opinion is absolutely critical for these products and this community. From the (now hundreds) of volunteer hours investing in this community, I have seen the product team take this into account as much as possible, even though to some community members, they feel ignored. Imagine being the person above who posted a feature request in 2022 and to only get their request implemented two years later. Remember, this update was free. Could have been a hundred thousand dollars or so in product development invested for a feature request and not a single dime was paid by the users outside of hardware purchases. I work am a software dev who has owned a company of 500+ people worldwide and am industry agnostic – software is f💥king expensive.

Those who have seen me active here have seen me challenge the Denon team and “go to bat” for things that have plagued the products (and continue to do so). Engine Desktop is vastly underfunded and I’m working on a post to the team to highlight this and ask what we can do to get it prioritized.

If all of this makes me a fanboi, then so be it.

In all seriousness, it’s nice to meet another passionate person. I hope you can remain so and contribute to this community =)

[PKtheDJ]

@STU-C

people complaining

That’s the way of the world (© Earth Wind & Fire) - or rather the way of the internet.

People will always find something to complain about, even the most insignificant thing.

I read yesterday, people complaining that Disney+ show The Acolyte showed flames burning in space. Yeah, just ignore all the other scientific/historical inaccuracies in fiction since forever, and pick on that.

[STU-C]

Hahaha beam me up Scottie

[djrodrigovolta]

@STU-C

I was being sarcastic, the link you sent only has 36 votes, so it’s hardly a massively requested feature needed by everybody as you are stating. And like I said, ive been on the Serato forum for around 15yrs and I have seen countless threads with people complaining about the colour column and asking why there are no stars.

The overall point is, don’t push your own preferences as some kind of global agenda for why the company is somehow failing DJs. We all have our preferences and that is fine, but we have to accept we dont all need the same thing.

Yes, I understood your sarcasm.

Serato doesn’t have a RATING column… for me, stars were never useful even when I used Traktor, about 17 years ago or so… I also came from Serato. I’ve used it since 2010 when it was still ITCH.

Yes, you’re right. I think I was touched by the post owner’s statement and in fact, 36 votes is very little for immediate implementation and it is up to those who want this function to engage more.

[mufasa]

Same here regarding star rating.

I still haven’t found a system for them.

Especially if all I’m downloading are meant to be bangers anyways.

I use Lexicon tagging system tag in the comments.

I m also a heavy serato user and I use the colors for stuff as well

All my pink tracks are - girlie bangers