When will STEMS be available using Engine OS? So I have an SC 4 live, and CAN have stems - if I use Serato Pro. Which is boring, because I want to use Engine DJ software. We are literally being pushed to Serato Pro to use common features in 2024. It makes no sense.
The fact the beta has gone dead tells it’s own story.
The chips in the Engine hardware aren’t powerful enough to produce good quality stems fast enough to work with in a live environment. The only option I think would be to let users precompute them using their PC then use them direct on the players, but then that causes a storage issue … for example my main video library has 3200 tracks and the offline stems take up 87gb and most DJs have a lot more tracks than that.
Being a VDJ user and having an i9 RTX4080 laptop to precompute them is a dream and I can still use them on my 6 year old DJ laptop with no issues, but to be honest I can’t see anything happening until the next release of players which would hoprfully contain far better chips. But the fact In-Music are releasing + versions of current units with little change means that may be a long way away.
I love using stems in VDJ, it has revolutionised the way I mix, but it didn’t stop me getting a Prime Go+ even knowing they will never happen for it.
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Nobody knows, but they did say recently on a post it’s still very much being worked on.
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Storage is unbelievably cheap nowadays
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Unless soldered into an Apple device, that is… 
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They have USB-C ports, and you can buy USB-C external hard drives 
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Is it a fact that its dead? Havent seen any official statement about that - unless you ofc are a official spokesperson 
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When was the last beta released?
A good while ago, but havent heard from official channels that its dead yet.
But maybe you have 
No I haven’t, but being someone who has followed DJ software closely over the past 25 years it’s an educated guess.
Ok, as long as its not a fact but only a guess, I’m cool with that
I have been on this specific forum for more than 5 years, and know (for a fact) that sometimes we get surprised by what they suddenly comes up with, so I’ll keep being patient. 
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I believe Denon/Engine are well aware Stems are here to stay it is only a matter of time, I am not sure if the current crop of devices can have stems it maybe the next gens are more likely to have it, having said that on board stems has to be the objective as an open format dj being able to do transitions on the fly to accommodate requests is just part of flow so pre rendering stems is not my ideal
Well the fact Denon is owned by InMusic who also own Akai, and the MPC steams work on the MPC, however users are still advised to use there computers due to; Memory, CPU etc.
Given the fact the MPC is made for making music and more than capable of doing this but steams are a struggle in both memory (Basically your creating 4 or so separate tracks to make the steams in the first instance, until this is saved its held in the memory, then once committed are again saved as individual song length samples.
This should give us a clue as the the fact it may be overwhelming for our Denon media “Players” This wold be a great strain on the play or OS to accomplish this process, and in real time. Like playing 4 songs alongside your current song, while trying to mute the parts of so said song all at the same moment.
Serato Pro running on a computer is much more capable (system reliant).
So I wouldn’t hold your breath for a stand-alone solution.
But you could easily create all the steam parts your self, save them in a folder / playlist called live remix / etc and make use of the stems as audio/ music tracks and mix like that!
Thats what I actually do to create live remixes on the fly… I have a vast selection of solo tracks.
Just my 10c worth…
It is not so much a problem of reading several tracks in parallel that is problematic (you can load and read 8 complete tracks in parallel on the sampler and the reading is done without problem), but the calculation process is to separate the stems autonomously.
The Zplane separation algorithm used requires a lot of computing power to obtain a very high quality separation in an acceptable time. And this is where computing power is lacking on current hardware.
MPCs only process short samples of a few tens of seconds for the separation and this process is already slow and prevents any other action from being done on the MPC during this process.
Some of these comments definitely ageing well 
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… and here we goooooooooooo…
Christmas before Christmas … let"s test ! Thanks anyway Denon for the surprise
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I was obviously referring to non-pre-calculated stems, you understood that
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Haha yes my comment was just a bit of fun
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I know you like to troll me gently sometimes my dear Stu 
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