very interesting feature serato apply to the libruary
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Yes, definitely some interesting tools for those who like organising their libraries.
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also apply it on the engine hardware will be perfect
I saw that video on YT and was so tempted to comment on how lucky Serato users would be, to be able to do things VirtualDJ can already do. But I resisted.
Until now.
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i do believe denon will work something good for us soon
Im not sure you’ll ever get that level of granularity on the Engine hardware (using emojis etc), and some of the search and filter features already exist, of course things like seeing what playlists a track is in would also be useful.
@PKtheDJ VDJ is incredibly powerful, but it still lags behind Serato with regards to ergonomics on the UI, and the DVS implementation is nowhere near as tight, there has to be a reason why virtually no scratch DJs use it outside of just ‘blind fanboyism’. Its the perfect software for events DJs with large libraries who want to tap into video features and these library tools, as performance software im not sure. I personally also find the UI horrible, and no matter what skin is applied i still think its fussy and too much going on for my taste.
The same goes for Djay pro, there doesnt seem to be a minute goes by without people (mainly that Mac guy on every single youtube video that ever existed) claiming it blows Serato out of the water, yet ive tried it on both laptop and iOS and the DVS is terrible, unable to keep up with even basic platter nudges or pitch change, and im not sure if this is just my setup but the cue pads have a delay on them too, so instead of being able to drum in the first beat, you have to adjust the record afterwards to catch it back up.
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Favorite Crates, Crate Color, and sortable crates.
Integration of streaming tracks within crates.
crate infomation at the bottom like how many music have in the crate n hour of playing
will be perfect to apply this feature on engine os
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Yes, cool features and would be useful to some people definitely, but before that video dropped yesterday had you ever thought about it?
I believe a feature request already exists for this, and has done for a good while.
Cant answer whether Engine does this or not, as i dont use streaming, it would be useful.
Engine Desktop already does that, not sure how useful it is wasting space on the OS UI with it.
i know it just drop yesterday but they will hav a idea of it in the future update
about Integration of streaming tracks within crates engine does not have it
Im sure they will be working hard on bringing some new features soon enough, as they always do.
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I dunno why the UI seems to get mentioned whenever someone tries to critique VDJ, because (as you even mention) the UI can be changed. It can be made to look just like Serato if that’s what floats your boat. Some skins are even plainer than the Serato UI.
Scratch DJs do use it, but horses for courses - not everyone is a scratch DJ and scratching is not a requirement to be a DJ. Besides, we’re talking about the library here, and that isn’t scratch DJ specific.
I just found it amusing that these library features are only just coming to Serato… 
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We all know the Serato library has been pretty basic for a long time, and these new additions are great for those who need them (ill likely make use of the rating system now its been added).
My issue with the VDJ UI, there is straight up no 3 deck option, so as a prior SL3 owner and current FLux owner, there is no clean, easy to view 3 deck mode for VDJ. And aside from all that, i dont want to have to deep dive into 3000 settings to get something working how i want it, i just want to open it up, turn it on and have it working. Much in the same way people slag Apple off for how ‘locked down’ an Iphone UI is, i dont care, i like being able to turn a device on and just find it ergonomic and easy to use, im not interested in layers of config. Until VDJ can offer that, it’ll always be fussy.
This is perfect for my setup. A balance of deck space, info needed and library in clear easy to read text.
Having downloaded it several times in the past (last time was a couple of years back), the DVS even for my basic needs is just not up to par with Serato, it feels laggy and less responsive. im happy to give it another go but i dont want to pay £300 for the priviledge.
I use VDJ with Phase wireless, and I can assure you that scratching is as tight as on Serato, at least since Phase Wireless was implemented.
However, there may be room for discussion regarding use with traditional timecode vinyl. I can’t say how it is in the latest versions because I haven’t used timecode vinyl since using Phase.
For timecode vinyl, I’ve always found Traktor to have the best response and accuracy of any software.
I bought a Traktor soundcard a couple of years back (when i thought i would need to switch over) and spent some time with it, i did find it pretty good but id say on a par with Serato rather than better. Again this is just normal beatmatching, back cueing, pitch adjusting etc.
All of this is on Timecode as i dont need Phase in my workflow.
…but there can be. This is where other software lacks. If you want a three deck view, you can have it. As already stated, there are Serato copycat skins out there. There’s a downloadable skin builder. There are forum members who will make you one for beers.
Aside from Serato, does any other DJ software have a three deck view? I’d suggest it’s not that common. Hardware is also typically 2 or 4 decks, so of course the software is usually configured to match.
Yes there are lots of settings, but then something as open as VDJ, supporting as much hardware as it does, needs to be configurable. Most controllers are plug & play.
And that plug and play is all i want, Serato adjusts itself to whichever hardware is plugged in so i dont need to worry about changing things.
3 decks might not be that common, but the SL3 was by far the best selling sound card at the time, and the Flux is the only one on the market, both are 3 channels. When i tried VDJ i looked through the whole skind catalogue and couldnt find a single one, and again i dont want to download an editor and faff around making my own, i just want to fire it up and DJ.
I get that its a much more open software, but people shouldnt be dumping on Serato for doing the opposite like its a bad thing, there is more than one way to do this.
Serato even said on their social media platforms that they have listened and overhauled the library, and lets be honest many of the worlds top DJs have been getting by for the past 15yrs or so with the current model…. yet all the internet warriors are out in force to slate them, much in the same way (and same people/accounts) who do it every time InMusic provide an update.
Yes, both sound cards are equal in terms of quality. Whether it was Rane on one hand with the SL boxes or NI on the other with the Audio/6/8/10 cards, they all did excellent work in terms of sound quality.
I used an Audio 10 for a long time, which I still own but now mainly use for music production in FL Studio, and also a Z2 mixer which had the integrated DVS sound card, which I still have.
But I’ve always found Traktor to be more stable, responsive, precise, and smooth when using timecode, especially for beatmatching / backcuing/ pitch adjustment.
Drift on Traktor is almost nonexistent. Once your beatmatch is done, you could go away for the weekend and come back two days later and your tracks wouldn’t have been out of sync one bit.
Not many people using it for DVS though are they? why hasn’t it been more widely used? even back in the days when they were regularly releasing hardware and updates? Surely if its tighter and more stable you’d see so many more people using it? I cant think of a single performance oriented DJ who doesn’t use Serato, you only have to scroll down their instagram post and see who is commenting on it.
Serato included a feature to counter wow and flutter but i didnt like it so turned it off, ive found it to be pretty tight as long as your turntables arent a mile out.
I think the answer to this question is mostly cultural.
In the hip-hop scene, turntablists have always been close to Rane, and Rane was close to Serato since they worked together. So, as a shortcut, people thought that Serato was the best for scratching and, by extension, anything related to vinyl timecode manipulation. Subsequently, many of those who had switched to live scratching naturally migrated to Serato DJ, if only to preserve their library.
Traktor has always been much closer to the electro/techno scene and has never been as close to the vinyl scene as the Serato/Rane duo was. Vinyl culture isn’t as important/predominant in the electro/techno scene as it is in the hip-hop scene, and controllers/players were actually a logical progression.
Most of the DJs I know who are more rooted in the electro/house/techno scene don’t even activate vinyl mode on their jog wheels, and the rare times they do it’s to do a backspin.
Yeah see im specfically talking about DVS with timecode for my findings. When using any software in controller mode ive found them all to be pretty similar in performance.
Its all just choices at the end of the day, too many people treat DJ software like their Football team. Or somehow think one is ‘losing the game’ over the other because they implement a feature after someone else. We see the same in phone world, yet the under featured, under powered, rip off iphone is still the absolute best selling phone in the world….. we can only assume its because every single person who buys one is an idiot sheep who cant think for themselves.