So, I’m testing out my SC6000Ms with Serato (I might need to run them with Serato at one of my residences as I can’t take my mixer and miss functionality and simplicity I can recoup with Serato).
However, I have a big stumbling block and I’m 99% sure it’s a Serato problem, not a Denon problem (I’ve already posted it in the Serato forum), but thought I would check!
I’m trying my SC6000Ms with Serato, however, I find that having such a small waveform is a real negative compared to what I am used to.
However, using Serato I get a small waveform at the bottom of the screen. Like so.
m.cdn.sera.to
It would be amazing if I can get the same view as above as I do with Engine OS, with the Serato integration. I know I can use - + to make the waveform smaller and bigger in terms of zoom on the players, but not anything else.
I tried using “view” but it just changed the view within serato.
If it’s possible to swap between the browser view with a small waveform and a bigger waveform, let me know!
I know that VDJ does this and even includes the native search on the players, browse and everything. This is the integration I’d expect from Serato!
As I say, sure it is a Serato issue, not a Denon issue. But hope that someone can give me a glimmer of hope…?
I do indeed use the house mixer, I just am a creature of habit and find I’m missing the ease of the X1850 that I’m used to with the sweep fx and main fx. More practice would fix it, but I don’t own it to play with
100000% I won’t lie, I am really impressed with it.
Poop. Well, I can live in hope, but sounds unlikely then!
The devs at Atomix stated that the Denon screens update slowly (over USB from the computer), so having large moving things on screen is a no-no. That’s possibly why Serato went with small waves.
Man, I just returned my SC6000Ms for this exact reason!!! I really wish I could have found a way to keep them.
Engine OS isn’t versatile enough to ditch Serato and the Serato integration is just terrible.
Virtual DJ nailed it but the waveforms are choppy and I cant switch to VDJ just for these media players to semi work. I also couldn’t keep $3,500 in media players in hopes that they will either fix Serato or make Engine OS more usable on the fly.
I feel your pain and I’m lurking this forum for the moment I can buy the players when they work as I need them to.
I don’t have any complaints about Engine OS myself. My only main issue is using an FX unit, which I can’t do without Serato etc. I found it very hard to go from Serato to pure Engine OS on the players, but once I was used to it, going back to using my laptop feels horrible!
The Serato integration is poor, but that’s on them, not Denon
I’m confused though. If Engine OS meets your criteria, then why worry about Serato? If effects are the problem, another mixer with internal effects or a pioneer effector is a very easy, but costly solution. Or, just bring your mixer and swap em out at the gig.
I should elaborate more! When I’m using my mixer I have no issues or complaints. It’s when I’m using clubs mixer as I’m either doing a handover or not allowed to change mixer.
If I had a 900nxs to play with then it would not be an issue as I could learn. But having everything in serato as well means that if I ever go to a venue that I need to use the Nexus 2 for example then I could just plug in without any worries.
Honestly I’m probably just overcomplicating a simple solution but I’m very good at that.
Wanted to switch to standalone and bridge with Serato to make the transition slowly. Also, I’ll still use Serato, as I have a few pieces of Serato hardware.
Engine OS issues are very simple.
Integration with Serato reading crates is poor at best. Having to re-analyze my entire library every time I add 80 tracks per week is not user-friendly and changes the date added every time.
Browser, browser, and more browser. Needs a crate tree to see sub crates without diving into a crate.
Need custom view columns for metadata. I need to see my comments section. I rely heavily on my comments.
Slow search times. I’m open format and blaze through music on the fly.
Need to display the browser like a normal GUI file window (like windows or rekordbox)
There is a ton of other little things that quickly add up.
With that being said, I love the players and the idea. Denon did a beautiful job on the waveform screen. I just can’t let these players sit until a solution for my workflow is created. There will prob be new devices/iterations by then.
The first “issue” isn’t with Engine OS. It’s the Engine Prime software that has the import option from various DJ software. The idea behind the import options is to make it easier to transition from your previous software to the Prime series - so you import your library once, and from then on you use Engine Prime. It’s not supposed to be for constant updates.
If you’re using both softwares, why add to one then import to the other? Why not add to both separately? Use the two side by side. For instance I use VDJ, so when adding new tracks I add them to VDJ, then I add them to Engine Prime. It’s no big deal for a few tracks a week.
Your other “issues” seem to be based on how you’ve previously worked on a computer, so you expect the standalone hardware to be exactly the same.
It’s standalone hardware designed for DJing, with its own custom GUI. As such it works extremely well.
Engine OS or Engine Prime. It’s all together with the ecosystem. I don’t have time to manage music twice. People I have talked with on this forum actually manage their music in Serato and back up to Prime every week. That’s just not possible with my workflow, especially since I often sort by date added.
If users only had a switch and ditch mentality, then there wouldn’t be external resources and software to help DJs bounce between different software. Also, I said 80 tracks, not a few. Again, I’m open format and fly through tracks, on the fly.
Yes, I expect two devices with two processors to perform as fast as one device with one processor. Yes, I expect an interface and browser to follow current UX/UI standards.
Don’t be upset. You didn’t make the product. I do UX/UI for a living. One of the biggest mistakes a company can make is assuming their user is wrong and that they just need to learn the manufacturer’s way of doing things. They have a lot of room to grow. Starting by mimicking Pioneer’s browser will help them a lot. I’m not a pioneer fanbpoi either. I just understand usability.
I’m happy this workflow works for you but be mindful that everyone has their own different standards, workflow, and gigs that require different approaches.
That’s not my experience. When I refresh my updated serato library in EP and add tracks to collection only the new files are added. The files from last import remains. Except this has changed
This is how it works in Serato as well.
Agreed
Yes, with very large collections I noticed it can be slow to populate results at my end.
As an open format DJ i found it challenging to part transition from serato. But now I’m okay with either set up.
Not sure if this was how it was advertised. If this is the case then what’s the point of having the import section as a feature in EP.
They could have released individual utilities for migration.
Traktor had one back in the days for converting Scratch Live to Traktor
I really noticed this at my gig on my Friday night residency, went through some really quick mixing with songs I’ve never used before so did not have in crates to hand. Needed to search my library and it was not a quick expereince. Few emergency loops to not miss the beat I wanted!
I’ve never looked into it, any first-hand advice from you or anyone here?
I’ll look into this! Anything you have in mind? I did a quick search and found nothing that jumped out at me.
Rekord.cloud is pretty much a 1 click operation. I use it to keep Rekordbox. Serato, Traktor, and Engine Prime all synced up.
It is way more stable than engine primes conversion.
