SC6000 continually crashing and black screening

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He was likely just genuinely shocked that you’d done it, remember lots of different countries and cultures here, different economies and different financial situations. So one persons decision to dispose of something could be seen in worse light by other people.

I was born in Yorkshire, we even use teabags in more than one cup we’re that tight. I’ve kept a load of crappy 6mm MDF that was used as packaging for something I had delivered, to recycle into something else…… so stuff like that could be a catalyst for peoples surprise at binning a couple of £1500 electrical items.

I’m sorry you got to the point where you had to get rid of the players, my comment above about 1210s and records was a serious one though, mine are over 22yrs old, and some of the records I play are from the mid 1960s still sounding great. It’s amazing what the simplicity of a good quality motor and a few wires does for longevity.

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I get ya on the cultural front. I was brought up to meck do n mend as a young en which had its limitations at times but we got by.

I sold a pair of 1210 mk2 last year which both needed new tonearm assemblies. I paid £450 for the pair with the intention to sort the tonearms out, which was the only thing to sort on them as everything else had been fixed. I quickly realised it is gonna be another £800 to do so. I did make profit on my sale so can’t complain. In hindsight I would have looked around for a better pair really but hey ho.

Currently got the PLX1000 and a A&H DB4 mixer with the seamless loop function to loop any part of the vinyl playing. Just brings vinyl mixing to a whole new level.

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@Energy

If I did not respond following this thread until now is because the first answer you brought to my message was to insult me ​​from idio, fool, or head of Bell (or I don’t know which other flowery insult you used)

Certainly I did not know the context because you did not detailed it but I did not insult you with anything unlike you. I just said that I was shocked that we could “bin” such expensive equipment for a simple jogwheel problem.

You have certainly trying a certain number of action but I honestly think that you could have explored many other tracks.

Why didn’t you just buy a used LC6000 that you can find for sometimes less than $ 300 to recover the whole part of the Jogwheel assembly and put it in your SC6000 which probably cost $ 1,700? This part is absolutely identical between the LC6000 and the SC6000?

You say that you have tried to sell it in the state but that no one wanted it. Until present yes maybe.

But maybe in 3 or 6 months have someone looked for a SC6000 organ donor to recover a screen, buttons, a power supply, a main PCB/motherboard or any other piece than your defective jogwheel.

You may not have recovering great things in terms of money, but it might have allowed someone to restore another unit at a lower cost.

When you really want to have a unit repaired and saved, you can always find a solution, it is above all a question of will, patience, and research.

Instead you have chosen the trash can and that is what shocks me, not only have you not earned the slightest dollar by doing this but in addition you do not help anyone to repair another unit.

If I had been in your place I would have kept the reader in stock if I had not been able to restore it, and at best he would have ended up going in the state as a donor at one time or another, or At worst, I would have gone to a community user forum or a Facebook group to find out if that interested someone.

Even if it means making no money on it I would still have preferred to give it, rather than putting it on the garbage or it will not serve anyone, if only by ecological conscience.

All you do is come after complaining and railing the material with a vindictive tone instead of trying to be constructive.

I will stop there and I will not comment on this thread any more.

No need to try to “stimulate” me to get other answers from me.

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Well, a hand made mixer can have broken faders too (oh sorry that was that other ranting thread :wink: ): I have a Rodec MX180, which was the cadillac of mixers in Belgium during the 90s and early 00s. Handmade in Belgium! But the (ALPS) PFL switches had a loose contact fairly quickly. Last year I decided to have it restored, but couldn’t find anyone who would (Rodec is/was out of business). Well, bought similar ALPS switches and replaced them myself succesfully… Just to say, if you really want it repaired, you can. There are a lot of hobbyists who like doing electronic repairs. Broken plastic is another thing, but still there are options (melting, glueing, screwing, 3D printing …)

Also, DJ stores back in the day were full of Rodec replacement parts (mostly ALPS faders). If you really have a broken InMusic exclusive part (like a plastic attachment), Im sure you can get through a reputable dealer… But if you talk about a unit not powering on, you could be talking about a triac or cap in a power supply being faulty, costing 0,5 € in materials to replace. Actually most non moving electronics fail because the power supply fails. That would explain the crashes too (undervoltage). Now you only needed someone capable of finding the faulty semi conductor…

Anyway, I cant imagine either, if you really want to get something repaired that you find no one who will , even if you pay them good money. If this is really what happened, indeed, shame on InMusic. But did you really try every feasible option?

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Sorry yeah I should caveat that by saying ‘won’t break if looked after’ :slight_smile:

I can’t imagine my alps rotary pots are dying any time soon

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Oh, that rodeo never was in rental so… yes, ALPS breaks too…

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Yeah its amazing the ability DJs have to wreck gear when its someone else who had to pay for it :slight_smile: … ive never personally damaged a single piece of my own gear, or any one else. But ive seen some horror stories at venues over the years, CDJs with a non-working play button being a particular bad one, given its the most important button on the device.

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Ofcourse, but that wasn’t my point. Those PFL switches were solely used by me in a mindful careful way, I paid for the gear. They are ALPS, but actually they started loosing contact after about 2 years. And those were 3 out of 6 switches. Bad batch? I don’t know. But quality gear breaks too. Chances are just slimmer :wink:

and ofcourse, as you say, you can get abuse and break everything….

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Yeah fair point, im sure they must have been a bad batch in that case, or a dirty contact perhaps.

Still though, on the whole my point about a pair of turntables and good quality mixer being more likely to be superior to a lot of this modern complex digital gear still stands, if you were to somehow quantify it, the stats would be well in favour of that setup. This is why people are still using 45yr old 1210s in perfect working order, there isnt a single piece of gear from the past decade that i would be confident in lasting that long.

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Well, that’s the sad part of all of it, be it DJ gear or household appliances: the quality that used to be available isn’t available anymore.

Part of that has to do with the consumer too: I think, if you want better quality, you will have to pay a higher price. If there aren’t enough consumers that want to pay more, then there isn’t a sustainable market for quality devices…

People also like to pay more for brand image than quality. My 2 year old Mercedes cost me about 3 times as much as a comparable Opel. But you won’t believe the things that already broke on that car. Well, the joke is on me, should have bought that Opel, would be better of in the end…

Pioneer costs about twice as Denon. But is it twice the quality? I highly doubt it, given their practices with Rekordbox in the past…

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This discussion has done a very useful thing Johan, it reminded me i finally need to replace the phono leads on my decks (in prep for the new DJ booth), so ive ordered a new phono cable and will be doing some home soldering in the coming days :slight_smile:

Pioneer are definitely not twice the quality. And as far as cars go, my new Audi Q5 isnt as well built as my old 2015 model, its already rattling in places where the old one never did despite me putting 119000 miles on it.

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Firstly Gaian I want to apologise to you for my reply, it was done in the heat of the moment so I am sorry. I should have been a bit more diplomatic in my response to you.

The trigger for my hasty response was when you stated assumptions about my situation. I thought at the time I don’t think NOBODY here has actually read my first post I did a few years back explaining everything about my ordeal with my new Denon players. People saying I should have done this and I was wrong for doing that etc. And then people disbelieving me. Which I now know was to create an argument.

I have made posts on here related to the SC6000 player issues I am having that describe in detail from start to finish the whole situation. I wrote it in basic form and in a detailed manner so it is easy for a person to read and understand due to the fact this forum is used by people in other parts of the world. Written language as you know can be misconstrued. Especially by individuals with an agenda in mind that want to pick fault with someone deliberately. I did this to hopefully prevent anyone replying asking questions which I have already covered in my previous post. Unfortunately I still received unhelpful replies.

And the funny thing is not one post I received was of a resolution/solution or of any help to my original post of the SC6000 issues. People on here were more intent on picking fault with my post and felt annoyed that I had disposed of ONE of my SC6000’s. Instead of being constructive in giving answers to what may have caused some of the issues in the first place with the SC6000.

I thought this forum is to help other users, give advice, make people aware of issues others might not have experienced themselves with equipment failures.

I don’t expect any reply from anyone tbh I kinda get the vibe on here now so this will be my final post.

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I forgot to mention aswell that after stripping the player down, it was apparent that the assembly of the jog wheel was inaccessible. I wanted to get to the pin in the middle where it seemed to be stuck on but there was no way of removing the jog wheel without severely damaging it. I am curious how they assembled the jog wheel section in the first place. All I know is it wasn’t designed to be dismantled which begs the question how would an engineer at a repair centre manage to do it?

I was told it had been repaired during the warranty repair years ago. But it wasn’t at all now I kinda get why. A shame people weren’t forthcoming and honest with me from the start. The units weren’t designed service friendly for sure. Maybe the reason why the unit was discontinued? Who knows? I enjoyed my little time when they worked. Hopefully the design of a new single player in the future will be more thought out which will help recycling and cut down on wastage.

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I’m afraid DJ gear isn’t as pppular on ifixit as Mac computers. But the latter seem inaccessible too, until you read some ifixit tutorials. Even glued screens can be removed. If it isn’t I am sure a reputable dealer can order the whole jog wheel assembly…

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I would like to see the scamatics and assembly sections of the unit. Not sure about other countries but I do know Denon products in the UK do not have warranty repairs anymore. I was informed by the company and It was explained as to reasons why which actually made sense. I was sent a list of businesses up North UK that do repairs on audio but it was mainly Pioneer stuff as it is the dominant brand everywhere. There is a lot of D.I.Y. Videos on the net for all kinds of stuff but so far I haven’t seen anything for the SC6000’s yet.

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