Im not saying anyone is or isn’t a pro photographer, im merely using the example that the best results are achieved by shooting a RAW image (that i referenced in my original post) and editing it before output. Jpegs are sub-par in comparison and will rarely deliver the final output needed for the ‘best results’.
My Mastersounds mixer has a record out that is much lower than the normal outputs and can’t be adjusted, are we also saying Andy Rigby-Jones has got it wrong? or is it perhaps that way for a reason?
It also is an appropriate level, purely by the fact that you can normalise the mix and make it sound extremely good, which i also provided evidence of with my test mix where ive included the before and after for comparison. Before is recorded low but retains all the data, normailsed mix sounds fantastic.
JPEGs are also what the vast majority use, without even thinking about processing them before sharing etc.
MP3s are also “sub-par” compared to other formats, but it’s ubiquitous and most people are quite happy with it.
…and that’s a record OUTPUT, not a built in recording function - and of course it’s lower than the master outputs. That’s standard. Typically record outs would be -10dBu and masters out +4dBV.
So i don’t get what the issue is here with it capturing the mix at a lower level? As stated several times previously this recording isn’t there to be the final output, in exactly the same way the record out on a mixer isn’t there to provide final output, its meant to be a flat file that captures all data.
This conversation clearly isn’t going anywhere so you do you and ignore what is seen as industry standard practise for handling these files, and ill spend 3 minutes in a piece of free software to get the best results possible for output.
Really? I don’t remember seeing that in the manual.
I also don’t believe that it’s “industry standard” to not provide a means of setting a level on audio recording equipment. In fact the opposite - every other piece of recording equipment I’ve used, past and present, has a way of adjusting the input signal.
Remember, I’m not the only one complaining about this. Are you seriously trying to tell all of the people who’ve been complaining about this limitation since release that they’re wrong???
It takes 2 minutes to adjust and normalize a track in audacity. The low volume is in place as a measure to ensure there is no clipping. You get all these features and you still bitch and complain and want more and more and more and more and more and more and more. And more.
There are no “features” for the recording function. That’s the problem.
You cannot deny that other recording products offer a means of monitoring the input signal and a means of adjust the recording level - as standard. Even other products made by Denon and inMusic.
That’s why Denon implemented a limiter on the master output I believe. They could do exactly the same on the record signal. Raise the level, add limiter. Problem solved.
You think myself ??? Or anyone else??? on here that’s asking or posting a feature request or looking to help fix an existing issue is just a bunch of whining people asking for more more more???
Congratulations you’ve just insulted the entire forum.
We clearly think differently…
As I see it…. These forums have a lot of great talented individuals from all over the world coming together, sharing ideas and great suggestions on how to make a product they believe in better.
Hello again.
I have read a lot of your advice and do a lot of testing.
Increasing the levels per channel, managing the master level, etc.
I have carried out tests with my old ddj 400 with tractor: without reaching the first orange LED it gives me a result of -6dbs.
If I record in in denon without reaching 0 db it gives me a result of -15 or -20 dbs.
I did the test of raising my faders to +6 dbs and even then the recording did not go beyond -12/-10 dbs.
I know that this topic has been talked about and there are also more important things but I have checked all the levels in one dawn and the results are what they are despite the fact that we have to normalize them, strong max or the tool that uses them. users use . It is not a question of laziness or laziness, it is something obvious and I think it would be of great help to obtain a good final result.
I think adding a recording level would be nice, and not having to push my gain control over the limits.
Thanks to everyone who has answered and helped me.
Rec Level is also quite/too low on the Live 4. Will do a comparison test with the P4 once I‘m back in my studio.
An adjustable level or an +5dB rec boost on/off toggle in the settings wouldn‘t hurt anybody. If your keep your VUs around 0dB there is certainly no clipping risk, plenty of headroom remains.
De la misma manera que han añadido un nivel para la salida maestra y de auriculares en contacto, estoy seguro de que harán lo mismo para la grabación
Also send a ticket to denon about this request
All the best
For my part, I close the issue. Thank you all.
This is denon’s answer
All the best
Hello,
Thank you very much for your kind feedback and suggestions for improvement.
I will ensure that this reaches our dedicated teams for review and possible implementation in future updates. I apologize for any inconvenience you may have experienced, and we are committed to ensuring our customers are satisfied with future updates. I will now close this ticket, but please feel free to reopen it if you require further assistance.
There’s absolutely no harm in giving us a recording level. I don’t understand why the people that don’t care about this feature request, feel the need to constantly chime in & tell us how to do it “their way”. If you wanna use audacity & raise your levels, by all means, go for it. For me though, 95% of the time, I listen to my set on the way home from a gig. Buy a stand-alone unit, but take your laptop with to adjust the recoding level after your set.
The Howler does have an LED to show signal level and overload, which allows you to see and set levels. The original Tape didn’t have a physical gain control, but again did have an LED.
Both expensive though, for what they offer. You can get a full blown digital audio recorder for a fraction of that i.e. Tascam DR-05X.
