I’d think that Frames Per Second is an important consideration, so splitting two layers, three ways each is going to mean 6 jumpy waveforms. One way around that might be to either disable one layer while stem play is active or if there are 4 stems (vocals, bass, piano, drums for example) then put two stems on layer A, two stems on layer b
Stems in real time is a game changer as it expands the art of DJing on so many levels adding to the creativity of a mix as there are many ways they can be implemented. Just think about it you can actually remix songs on the fly in so many different ways every time you play a song so that it doesn’t ever have to sound the same again.Adding or taking away different elements of another song added to it.To make the statement that very few people would use it is just your opinion. I come back from the time when we beat mixed with records. We only dreamed of remixing our own songs to the level that DJs are able to do it today.So as the technology in the DJ world improves I embrace every little bit of it and don’t take it for granted.
I totally disagree. The technology is improving already. Virtual DJ now has the ability to control the amount of bleed coming through and as time goes on it will be perfected just as beat synk is much better… That being said how many times did you want a different mix of a song and you knew you would love the song only if you had a different mix of it… Real-time stems gives you the ability to remix your songs as never before. I remember when automatic beat synk first came out The DJ world scoffed at it saying it would destroy the art of DJing. Today we realize that’s not the case. It actually frees you to add creativity to your mixing. So don’t be so quick to dismiss this technology. You just have to use your imagination to figure out all the many ways it can be be implemented every day in your mixing.
If you want fake sound try to go back to cassettes…haha. Again they made the same statement about automatic beat synk that it wouldn’t be used and it would be a waste of time. Now it’s standard on all DJ gear. And I’ll do you one better. Why would I want to limit your creativity. Go ahead try it yourself if you have Denon gear put it in controller mode with virtual DJ and start practicing, remember practice makes perfect. If you just use your imagination and give it enough time you will find many ways to implement it. But if you choose to shut your mind off to the possibilities then sure it’s not going to be any of use to you because you’ve chosen that for yourself. As a DJ why limit yourself. You deserve better than that.
It’s really bad sounding - it sounds like YouTube rips when VdJ separates the vocals and music etc - ok it’s clever that the algorithm can do any sort of half-arsed, half-baked attempt at splitting one sound type from another, but it’s not good quality results
I don’t think it sounds fake at all To me it just sounds like a filter is applied to it. Plus when you use the bleed function properly it makes for a cleaner sound. And if you have a little patience the technology will definitely get better it’s only a matter of time. Maybe then you might give it a chance.
The technology has long been here. Even our best military intelligence officers will tell you that to get the cleanest audio it has to be done post with resources beyond what’s available in the civil realm.
You will never get it clean.
The eqing will always take away the tone and the reverse phasing will always make the isolated sound filtered and phasey.
I can do a better job of it on my daw cause that’s how I was taught to do it in school. Do I want to do? No cause it’s not worth it knowing what the end result will be.
Everything you see coming out as new features in the digital realm was already done in the analog form a very long time ago. Except the digital realm does it with unacceptable latency.
Unless these tracks are pre-prepared before hand with a lot of preprocessing nobody will get the illusion of real-time results with the clarity one desires.
Hope you understand that what you are asking for is a bigger undertaking than anyone wants. You need real stems period. Cause with real stems your software does not have to real-time process right? (Cause it’s already there) So now it has to dedicate resources to separate frequencies and isolate on multiple fronts this is not acceptable for real-time hi hq processing.
It’s only going to be a matter of time and all that will be implemented. It’s improving every year. If you don’t want to see that that’s your choice. There is plenty of demand for it out there Digital DJ Tips on YouTube is made up of a bunch of DJs from the UK who have many years of experience they’ve talked very positively about stems and how they will be implemented in DJ software in the future… So don’t believe me but at least believe the professionals.
We had a clean way of doing it and that was NI’s STEMS.
Nobody really wanted it as although they have away the technology to use, it needed VDJ, Pionee DJ and Serato to incorporate it to make it work.
It never happened, even as a free technology with free STEM making tools and with a £0.50 premium on tracks.
The major pools could have supported it by incorporating clean, dirty, instrumental and acapella versions to each track and you switch around the mix you want.
It never happened.
I had a Kontrol S8 and loved it as it was the same workflow as my old Novation Twitch. It was amazing to use but only for certain types of music and that is electronic. That killed it right there.
Using AI to separate the tracks audio into stems is okay but very hit and miss. I did an old Motown track and the results was an amazingly clean acapella. Perfect.
I then tried a more modern track and it sounded like a dodgy YouTube rip.
The pressures of the analysis is fine as it will do it all when the track is scanned in Engine Prime first. The limitation would be playing a track that hasn’t been scanned in EP first like streaming platforms. I can’t see the unit doing the analysis without taking twice as long and ramping up its small CPU a fair bit.
Honestly, I can’t see it being too useful for my own situation but I can see where others I’ll use it. Grabbing an acapella to put an effect on it is fine but a raw stem will leave an ‘unpolished’ sound if we’re not too careful.