NI STEMS Support: Possible future feature?

When NI announced it’s STEMS format a couple years, ago, I got excited. This format is much simpler than what they had previously attempted with remix decks (which required a lot of setup work).

I was also impressed (as a Software Engineer myself) NI’s approach to the STEMS format: It’s based on the completely standardized MP4 file format, and they’ve published an open spec so that anyone can go off and implement support for the format.

The SC5000 seems like a potential great fit for this format. Imagine loading up a STEMS file, and then having virtual faders available on the touch screen to adjust the different components of the track. Drop a vocal, play just a bass line, the possibilities could be great.

With multiple vendors supporting the format, it might also increase it’s popularity.

Currently, STEMS selection is rather limited, but it shouldn’t have to be.

Something to add to the feature list… (which I’m sure is already pretty long!)


The fact that STEMS never really took off (no other companies making products, very limited sources for tracks) is a bit indicative of it being a solution for a rather narrow segment of DJs.

By the same token, if you can build in the functionality and not have it bother those that do NOT want to use STEMS, why not. Of course, the effort to program this in will always be checked against what else is on the wishlist and how big a group of DJs you would please with that. Which means any STEMS compatibility might just stay firmly in the future

Yes, I think NI didn’t quite do the release right. When they first came out, of course they only worked in Traktor (and still do).

The initial release also required special hardware for them to even work (F1 or S8), which again limited the market of DJ’s that would use the format.

With such a limited market, what is the incentive for producers to create STEMS tracks?

I also wonder how many producers don’t actually want to produce STEMS tracks. All of a sudden your beautiful creation is being hacked up by any DJ that downloads the file and messes with it :slight_smile:

Still, with a club standard-ish player supporting the format, I can see it’s utility.

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I agree with your notion that it does open up the road to severely mutilating a track from the way the producer intended it.

It’s not that technically challenging thing to make STEMS. All tracks are produced in DAWs these days as multi-track recordings (actually that is where the name stems come from, a stem being a discrete or grouped set of tracks to be handled as one downline in a recording/mastering situation). So it should be easy to create the 4 groups needs for STEMS. That said, it IS extra work and you ARE giving insight into your production methods to a point I guess.

And as it is indeed an open format, everyone is allowed to make STEMS. The fact that so few people do … well …

I think that STEMS never really took of is because even the major player behind native instruments, richie hawtin, and other big names that are famous for their live performances like Chris Liebing an so fort, never really used the STEMS at all. Also the limitations by native instruments to make STEMS only usable with NI hardware only is frankly a bit dumb. The same happend with the remix decks and it took the nearly 2 years to open them up to other midi controllers.

Back to the topic: i would like to see this feature or maybe denons own spin on this kind of media format, because i am always looking for easy ways to add loops an snippets to my sets.

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Was there ever more than about 50 tracks kscreleased as stems ?

Lol, there’s quite a bit more than that. Check them out on beatport.

I played with stems for a while even bought a kontrol f1 for Traktor. But after a few month i sold it cause there were to less new stems files from the “big players”. As I’m working for a local radio station we play mainly commercial bigroom music and there’s to less stems music available.

Had a look at beat port and theres about 40 “singles” broken down as stems and what seems to be about 20 albums of stems. when you then think about which ones are tracks that anyone would play in their set then its not all that good either. maybe it was one of those things that the record mkers would have made more stem releases if more people bought more stem hardware but more people would have bought more stem hardware if the record makers had released more stems haha. may be. the moment has passed now and i guess that we will never now know

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yeah stems was of little interet to me as I DJ rather than remix or produce. As tractor have had a lump sum investment recent I hope they spend the investment on things other than yet more midi hardware or stems. theyve ok on software but with so much interest in stand alone solutions i dont know what tractor and the rest would see as the right future for developments.

Hello!!! I have recently bought a Prime Go. I will be usefull to use stems with the EQ and shift key pressed.

Stems are the future now and you can convert any audio file to a stem containing the base the bass vocals and percussion tracks ussing NUO STEMS easily.

I dont want the prime do stems on the fly like vdj (that uses tensorflow with deezer same as nuo in the background) but only to reproduce pre procesed stems files

Please consider it

Being this a 3 years old topic, I beg to differ…

Stems can be a useful gimmick, but it’s entirely a personal preference when mixing. I don’t use it. And never did, in my Traktor days.

In 2020 it became a real-time feature, so good progress. I still see it as a gimmick, but that’s probably and absolutely me.

It’s all a bit gimmicky

The physical stems thing is dead, where just a few hundred songs were made available in 3 or 4 separated tracks, but each track was studio quality.

The live separation thing is stained with mushy audio artefacts and needs a lot of processing power even to get something that’s only good enough to be played over the top of some good audio.

It’s better than the old “vocal removers” but not good if you care about quality.

Still, it’s early days. Maybe something in the middle of the two stems options will develop

Stems could be very useful for DJs to mix on the fly just one use that I found very effective is from mixing from one song to another cutting out the melody and the base eliminates the need to worry about the key of the music as your mixing into another song making it possible to mix no matter what the key is from one song to another without any key clashes.

Thats 3 years ago, you didnt have tensorflow deezer and spleeter

I would like to hear your ideas on how stems can actually be employed on the decks. For those who want it.

Just say’n :laughing:

Just on off switches for each stem on the touch screen

This looks like a way better option then stems. I just downloaded it and looks promising! Neuralmix pro by algoriddim.

And how would you like your waveforms served?