Building hardware for those people shouldn’t be for sure the focus of a market leader, don’t you think ? ![]()
Pioneer, to Be leader has never focused on your cavemen.
In the hands on video Phil mentions that all the talk around denon is now all about software. Hopefully these things can get weeded out now.
I wouldn’t call Pioneer players that overhyped when they’re as reliable as they are and have only like 1% of the IMD of Prime players. It’s not just Rekordbox vs Engine Prime.
I have no idea why they’d want to bother with a battery-powered Versadeck-sized 2ch all-in-one standalone unit. I certainly didn’t ask for batteries on it.
I don’t like the new 6000’s style… and I’m not talking the more efficient use of space, slightly larger platters, or screen. A portable 2ch all-in-one needs an efficient use of space, not spread out like on the Prime 4. If all they did is make it slightly smaller than the P4, then that’s a problem.
I’m wondering how much actual experience you guys have with rubber buttons & what they do to tact switches over time. Two Numark Axis 8, three DN-HS5500, and about 20 Hanpin linkable media players later and I can tell you it’s not a reliable way of doing buttons. The ONLY rubber buttons on DJ gear that have lasted use a completely different switch method on really old Hercules gear. The LED lighting on the 5000 and P4 buttons also is more functional than the 6000’s iteration that now has less to do with utility and more to do with keeping with some superficial industrial design motif. Granted, LED lighting is less important than tact switch durability and responsiveness over time.
Pioneer players are not as ultra reliable as people think, I had a set of CDJ2000 nexus and a DJM-2000 for a number of years even with light use they do sometimes crash/lockup/emergancy loop or just do wierd things. Not saying they are bad but they are not as crash/error free as some people make out
Maybe you didn’t update the firmware on yours? I’ve never gotten through a live Prime set more than just a few hours long using any of the latest firmwares since I bought them where I didn’t experience some catastrophic problem at least once, and the touch platters’ internal grounding connections are frequently an issue, too. And that’s not getting into hi hats sounding like squirts of canned air, compressed, forward, phasey mids, or mushy lows from the goofy audio processing. Sure, we’ve occasionally had issues on Pioneers, but it’s nothing like on Prime. Both my own CDJ-900s and venues’ CDJ-2000NXS2 I’ve played on are usually rock solid for many hours on end and always sound precise, coherent, crisp, tight, flat as a ruler, and without any added compression when using keylock off or reasonably near the zero. Pioneers might cost an arm and a leg, but there’s certainly a benefit to them still for those willing to pay that goes beyond just Rekordbox… and that’s not something my wallet likes to admit.
Any electronic equipment is prone to this kind of behaviour if some other things happen to be present, like poor ventilation, exposure to extreme heat sources, high humidity, poor performance USB storage devices, etc. But, when you say sometimes, it means once a year, once a month or once a week?
This has just been posted:
OMG I want them both ![]()
Full speed ahead Denon DJ!
Now, all you need to do is to expand your lineup with single layer players and some various configurations mixers, like 2 or 3 channels, keep them available more than 5 years and provide service manuals for them, to be able to retain their value.
Oh well - cant have it all, I guess.
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Nice videos Jamie - very well presented
Good gear. No 2 ch mixer I guess ![]()
Ok the little one is pretty cute. lol
But needs to be cheaper! Honestly.
Certainly an interesting device but at that price point I think most will just use their laptop and a much cheaper controller or even the XDJ-RR. The battery thing is interesting but ain’t no one gonna count on that for a pro gig (unless they’re the kind of DJ already just showing up to gigs DJIng with laptops alone).
I’m conflicted. Haha Which Phil seems to also be in his video.
Also the layout is pretty weird.
I really hoped Denon were bringing an external device for their higher end stuff to unlock some options we still don’t have (like pitch play) and some sampler related stuff but we get the Prime 2 (which Denon made slightly more attractive by recently raising the price of the Prime 4) and the weird (but cute) Go.
I dunno. It’s good they’re growing the line and potentially reaching more people but for the love of God stop making more stuff now and fix the software ![]()
I agree these are a bit expensive IMO, I was thinking about £500-600 for the go and about £1k for the Prime 2 before I learnt the prices
Yea … but you must see … they are just new … let them up about a half year, and I think the price will drop. Very nice players.
But you’re missing the point - these are all Prime OS so a change to “The” firmware will benefit ANY and ALL prime player with firmware - so, bring on 50 Prime units for people to choose from !
But that’s the point. Their resources can only go so far. I said I’m glad their growing the line but they need to put more focus on Prime OS itself now. All of this beautiful hardware is more than half-baked without proper software. And as someone who had poured lots of money into Prime hardware already, I’m just ready for it. That’s all
The simple fact that internal Engine software is changing its name to Engine OS is not gonna solve the preparation and analysis phase by itself. Suppose you’re internal Engine OS analysis is not working properly all the time. Engine Prime database management software is still needed for library preparations and its analysis also have to be improved, especially the much debated and requested BPM analysis.
You say that but the price of the Prime 4 went up lol