I think we will know 22-24 january if we get a engine 5.0 on other units. If this is the case they will reveal it on namm for sure 
oh my god how ugly!!
I wouldnāt expect anything to be carried overā¦ But since your talking software and not hardware.. Itās possible.
But when they released the Denon DJ SC LIVE 4 and it had track information etc, on the jog wheel display screensā¦. That never made it over to any of the other Prime unitsā¦
I would have thought the Prime 4+ for sure to further separate it from the original Prime 4 and to add more value to the upgradeā¦
But nope never happened! 
The system one is using 4.6 on Mojaxx machine.
He has one of my fave Instas. Heās always creating cool custom stuff.
I know, but is this a beta maybe? I still think that there will be a 5.0 coming 
Now im curious if Phil Morses secret controller is a inMusic product
Props to DJ Carlo for probably the most simple unbiased stem A/B of the Rane System One with context.
I think the betas are usually the same version as the final release when it comes to numbers. There will be a 5.0 at some point but those are normally large generational changes that denote a primary number change.
It could also be the MX4, Native instruments has discontinued the old series, but apparently Native will not be making any announcements at NAMM
Chose to merge scattered topics. Might be a mess nonethelessā¦ 
No, as thatās already announced by NI.
we actually know pretty much exactly how fast the new SoC can calculate stems. Quality aside, anything below 10x is already extremely borderline for smooth workflow. My current VDJ setup manages 50.9x, which is perfectly fine and doesnāt cause any problems. If my vocal drop-in is, for example, in 3 minutes, it doesnāt take long;
but at 2x speed, that would be about 1.5 minutes!! As far as I know, the new SoC operates in this range?? AI or specs aside, anything below 10x is unusable for smooth workflow in my opinion. Of course, thatās just my opinion; everyone has their own workflow.
I also stand by what Iāve said before: Storage space hardly costs anything anymore, and pre-rendering doesnāt unnecessarily burden the system.
For me, reliability is significantly more importantāand, of course, so is quality. I confess: None of the actuall STEMS variants are currently so bad that theyāre unusable. Thereās always room for improvement, and I think theyāll add more qualitiy.
What also confuses me: DJ Blake says Serato isnāt currently working???, but I saw Mojaxx load a file from Serato into Engine.
Thatās not exactly impressive.
By hotswap, I understand that I can switch systems instantly ā and that hasnāt been demonstrated yet. If I supposedly have Serato active by loading, what happens to the action pads, cue points, and beatgrid?
Do I then have Seratoās Button assignments and effects or only Engine DJās?
I think I had the wrong expectations regarding that term.
At least thereās now a desktop version specifically for the new device, which suggests that the existing 4.3.5 version will at least be made compatible?
The waveform bug fix is āāstill pending anyway! Even though I donāt pay much attention to the waveform, itās still odd when the mix is āāin sync, but the waveform is running a few percent faster.
InMusic canāt leave it like that, especially since the P4+ is still quite new ā it only came out in mid-2023.
So I do think Denon/InMusic will add some improvements to the older Engine OS versions, but I doubt there will be much more.
Mojaxx is probably on the Serato beta program, Blakey maybe isnāt, so hasnāt had access to any unreleased versions of Serato.
But even what Mojaxx showed didnāt excite me.
Hot-swapping as I envision it, and Iād even wait for a P5 or P4+ Ultraā¦
The added rendundancy would be extremely nice.
So Iām still hopeful. 
Yes, thatās my cutoff point for working with live stem calculation too.
I just watched some recently published French reviews, and the French reviewers mentioned āthe upcoming arrival of standalone stem management.ā
The choice of words is important here because they didnāt say āthe arrival of on-the-fly stem processing.ā
What this implies is that it will probably be possible to enter a mode for analyzing and pre-calculating stems in advance for a playlist or group of tracks, directly from the unit.
But it certainly doesnāt mean āreal-time on-the-fly separation with track extraction directly into RAM during track loading,ā like VDJ or Djay Pro do.
This just goes to show that you can say anything and nothing with the words you use, and you should always be wary of marketing jargon.
That may be true, but I would ALWAYS do it on powerful hardware.
But yes, there are people who buy the thing and just plug in a USB stick with MP3s.
That actually works well; itās one of the DJs employed by my friend, whom I work with.
He doesnāt have a laptop or anything!
I can then read his USB stick and everything is thereāhis cue points, etc. EngineOS works really, really well for him!
For him, your solution is a real improvement, but they could have let the current SoC handle that. Whether itās 6 or 12 hours of CPU time doesnāt really matter, does it?
Hmm, I donāt know. Letās say an RK3288 takes 15 minutes per track to perform separation with decent quality, and you have even just 50 tracks to process. I donāt know if it was designed to withstand heavy loads for hours in terms of temperature management, even considering its cooling system.
In any case, this clearly demonstrates the performance limitations of the new chipset, which is well below 5x speed. It canāt even achieve 1x speed on an MPC Live III at the moment.
So, clearly, weāre stuck for at least 5 years with a chipset still incapable of performing on-the-fly, deck-load stem separation, and this will apply to future Rane/Numark/Denon products as well.
In the best-case scenario, you get the same workflow as with Traktor: pre-rendering your stems upstream or in the background and having to wait for it to finish, with the stems stored on a local SSD.
Why didnāt it impress you? He is showing the hot swapping between laptop software and standalone firmware, and being able to mix and match what youāre playing from. And contrary to what you say he did show what happens to the pads etc, they control Serato, and you can swap to software FX too if you want to use them.
He did mention in his review that he couldnāt/didnāt show the laptop because it was running a beta version.