Move the CUE POINT at the start of the track

You have 2 buttons in sync manager: one to sync from PC to USB stick, one the other way around, from USB stick to PC.

If you dont use the second one you will overwrite whatever cuepoints and loops that are on the USB stick with what is one PC. So when you come home from the gig, first sync to PC, and then sync to USB stick again.

In that regard the term “sync” is wrong as it implies a two-way action. “Copy and overwrite” is what really happens…

Thank you for the info…I think I’ve ALWAYS done as you described: from SD to PC and not viceversa… Maybe if you read some post ago you will find this info too since I explained what I do at the end of a DJ set, my “workflow”… BUT, I may have missed something along the way… Anyway thank you again…

Well, since what you describe is expected, the only other possibility would be a bug. But I don’t think anyone else is experiencing this. So indeed, be as open as you can be for the infamous “error between keyboard and chair”, and if you are sure this error doesn’t happen, contact support or file a bug report :wink:

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But I would like it to cue up to the first beat and skip any silence before that. Also, it always saves the temporary cue, so if you press PLAY and then CUE, it will jump back to the temporary cue even though that’s not where the track loaded. So I have to load the track and press CUE to make sure it will jump back to the beginning the next time I press CUE.

Then you must not be using the CUE button much? I cannot get Engine OS to reliably jump to the beginning of the track by pressing CUE, because it remembers the temporary cue from last time and jumps there instead.

I do usually have a hot cue at the beginning that I can use, but I prefer to have Paused Hot Cue Behavior set to Trigger, while using the CUE button to jump back and stop playback.

All other DJ devices/software I know of set a temporary or “floating” cue when pressing the CUE button, which is not remembered across track loads. This makes sense, as it’s only relevant for your current performance.

My “temporary” CUE is always at the first beat; with every track I load. It never changes on my end, so I don’t use the “Track Start” setting.

Somehow @amarillis_amarillis’ beatgrid no.1 CUE gets reset during his EngineDJ collection sync sessions, so I merely gave an option to get at least the track to start at the beginning.

I just set the cue to the first beat I want to start mixing from when I load the track, regardless of software/hardware, then I can press it during playback to return it to that point at any time.

I really don’t understand why there is a 25 comment discussion about it… been doing it since the OG CDJ-800 in 2001 and still doing it today :man_shrugging:t2:

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Because there are ways to accidentally move to temporary cuepoint (not a problem), and InMusic decided to save the temporary cue (which can be a problem in combination with the former). On top of that the topic starter has issues with syncing this, so he is stuck with faulty temporary cuepoints.

To me it seems there are more frustrations about this in the user base, which we silently lived with, but which the TS unknowingly stirred up :wink:

PS, the CDJ-800 didn’t save the temporary cue, or did it?

Anyway, if you have to move your viewpoint from the beginning of the track to the first beat, or from a random position in the track to the first beat, the action is the same. And indeed, some of us have been doing this for 20-25 years… However, Traktors implementation, with an explicitly saved load marker, is easy to get used to :wink:

I loaded a track, moved the platter to the point I wanted to set the cue and pressed the cue button as far as I remember, I haven’t had the deck for nearly 20yrs but the process for cueing tracks on digital gear hasn’t changed in my workflow in all that time :man_shrugging:t2:

If it’s not where I want it to be when I load the track I’ll just move it then carry on mixing, a complete non-issue imo.

I’m not saying you’re wrong. You have a valid point. It always worked like that, why shouldn’t it now. Being a proponent of doing the basics right, I’m totally with you.

On the other hand though, if you let people have a taste of a certain feature, but implement it in a half baken way, you will get frustrations. The competition sure did a better job in thinking this feature or workflow through, and it was easy enough to copy that implementation. The current implementation leaves questions or even frustrations for some, and for me it’s added to a pile of rough incomplete edges that gives an unfinished feel to the whole Engine OS environment. If we don’t speak about this, InMusic will sure never do anything about it.

But do I really need saved temporary cue’s? No…

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Oh yeah the original issue of it not storing them is a problem… trouble is we can’t seem to get to the bottom of it and without spending time with the OP, the library and watching their workflow I dont think we’ll be able to diagnose it. The sync back to Engine thing should be solving the problem (as far as I can tell) but they are reporting it doesn’t.

I can’t 100% say its bombproof on mine, but I do know the cue position is definitely saved from one gig to the next on the majority of my tracks, ill pay more attention to it moving forward though to see how many don’t.

Maybe it’s different on my standalone SCL4, since given it’s standalone, I would expect cue points set on the device (Not in prep software) to be remembered for the next time I play that track.

Set the cue point in the best grid edit mode make sure it says 1 on the first beat (it probably says -whatever number currently) check best timing and phrases line up, lock beat grid and exit the beat grid editor. I quite often find it had put the cue point somewhere silly or missed best one.

SO, after some playing with the CUE I can say that it is NOT a problem on the HW (SC5000 in my case), BUT it is on the SW when I sync the SD and the collection on the PC HD… Since I play with TWO SD it is a must for me that they are perfectly aligned! At the beginning I used the LINK cable BUT, during the years one of the network card decided to no longer work, so that is why I use the SDs… The problem is in the ENGINE OS on the PC side and not on the media players… Now, everyone can use the CUE as it works best for him and this is not a problem for me, anyway I’d like to load the track and start from the LAST CUE position I set, NOT from the FIRST CUE POINT (YELLOW one)… And that’s it! CIAO!

Ohhh ok, so I think you might have 2 separate databases running then, which is likely going to cause issues saving this data, each SD card will have its own set of data.

YEP, I understand what you mean… I tried to place/move the CUE on a track on the SC5000 and then get to the PC where I would have synced that track with the MAIN collection on the PC… When I opened the SYNC MANAGER and selected the SD where I modified the CUE position the MANAGER told me that there was NOTHING to sync! WHAT? So if I move the CUE on one track NOTHING happened according to the SYNC MANAGER… Maybe this is why the CUE point on my tracks is NOT where it is supposed to be… I may have missed something, anyway…

Well, to begin with, in the wild you will return home with 2 SD cards with a different set of changes. How does Engine DJ know which changes have priority?

On top of that, I know there are some tasks (like syncing back playlist changes) Engine DJ spontaneously does without pressing sync, although I didn’t think syncing cuepoints was one of them. But if it is, it will even be harder to grasp what is going here…

You could very well be onto a bug here, due to your specific use case.

But why didn’t you send the player in for repair? And did you know WiFi works too?

Para eso, cree la solicitud, aunque se puede hacer a mano, si es cierto que en Rekordbox tienes la opción de cargar la canción desde el primer hotcue( seleccionando desde el menú, la opción que cada dj necesite)

Os invito a votarla, es bastante cómoda, de verdad