More Waveform Zoom Out is Needed - Prime 4+ (Match Pioneer)

Agreed, when playing open-format for functions, playing songs that are new or just something not in your go-to list, it is just not feasible to know every single track.

Moin @MrWilks,

to avoid this problem, I zoom in and I concentrate on the down beats, the red markers :innocent:

phps this trick can assist you a little.

Enjoy Whitsuntide, phps on board and brgds BeatMaster

Overview waveform is your friend in that situation.

You’ve said that already, but, sometimes overview just isn’t enough detail. Sure, you can have a good guess but the tracks don’t always follow traditional timings among other track nuances. Even yesterday playing a function that went really well, there was a lot of guess work like “that looks like it could be 32 bars there for me to mix in” but had to use beat jump a few times because it was off. It would just make it a lot smoother and take some of the guess work out and make the event more enjoyable to play.

I’ve said it already because it’s an effective way of mapping out the structure of an unknown track.

It sounds like what you need is a large laptop to DJ with if you’re still not getting enough info from the GUI provided here.

I always chuckle at these kind of posts where it comes across as some kind of mansplaning to someone they assume doesn’t use the equipment. Guess what, I download and play brand new music at gigs all the time, and guess what, I don’t struggle with being able to mix them together with the wealth of information being provided by these modern DJ units.

DJs have never had it better than we do today, with large high definition displays and lots of different ways of making our lives easier. And yet some of you are still struggling to perform :man_shrugging:

And you even have the ability to beat jump through a track to listen to the closing section if it’s really that much of a struggle to work out where to mix, it’s a single touch on the aforementioned overview waveform to skip to any part of the track you desire…. This is what headphone cueing was invented to do.

We’re drifting into offtopic again, guys. This thread is about more zoom-out option, not how everybody does his DJ routines.

Don’t need it, don’t use it.

As @MrWilks pointed out, the single decks allow for a wider zoom out, so there is no reason to not allow this for the all-in-one systems as well. I certainly wouldn’t mind having a bit more ahead-waveform-data myself. 79 votes are nothing to sneeze at. But yeah, maybe better to close this thread and move the discussions to said request thread.

Playhead marker more to the left would also be helpful (for most DJs, not everyone though, hence getting an option would be best)

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Agree on both points, I was merely offering alternative suggestions for how to view the mapping of a track without that feature present. I always like to work on how things work today with the assumption a DJ needs to use the software today, and how they can utilise current functionality to solve a problem.

We have to work on the assumption that no feature requests will be implemented until the day they are implemented, assuming that everyone wants to use their gear in its current form, and not lock it in a cupboard until their ‘must have’ request is either implemented or not implemented.

I do use it, regularly. And was never saying for me it is a deal breaker. One of the reasons I got the Prime 4+ is because it can have an internal drive for complete stand alone use and leave the laptop at home. Would be nice to have a stand alone have this feature.

This thread was just a suggestion.

I’m happy to close this thread off and keep discussion in the open feature request.

I recently purchased the Prime 4+ to complement my SC6000, which offers the ability to zoom in on the waveform—a feature I find essential to my DJing workflow. Unfortunately, the lack of this functionality on the Prime 4+ has significantly impacted my experience and made it frustrating to use, as I can only view 2-3 bars at a time. This limitation is disruptive enough that I am already considering switching to the XDJ-AZ.

Implementing the ability to zoom on the Prime 4+ seems like a straightforward update, especially since the SC6000 already has this capability. I strongly urge Denon to address this as it would dramatically improve the usability of the Prime 4+ for DJs who rely on detailed waveform views.

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Please Denon, we are really waiting for that <3

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Hi Denon, we need this feature, please add it. It’s been a long time coming and the only feature I really need added at this point. Working with Pioneer and Denon this is the only thing that makes it hard for me to want to use my Denon controllers.

Requests, once voted for on the forum, can take between 1 and 4 years to appear. Be sure to add your vote - especially as you claim that it’s …. hard for … you to …. want to use…. your Denon …. controllers

But you’ve only got 10 votes, so choose your “needs” carefully

This feature only has 16 likes. Sure, a feature with more votes should be given priority, but I think a feature request should be assessed on its merits too. The fact is, there is a silent majority and only a few users actually voice their feedback. Statistically, the percentage of users who actively participate in forums, suggest improvements and report bugs is very low, like, 1-2% (can’t find the source now but I remember reading about it a while back on a UX design forum). This minority stands in stark contrast to the vast silent majority who will just use the software, bump into UX “pain points” or bugs, and either find workarounds or simply tolerate it and get on with life, without bothering to send formal feedback (often hoping someone else will). Most people are consumers, while only a few attempt to create or improve. We here are the latter group, and we should be proud that we are helping shape the product.

Also, remember a lot of users don’t speak English and may find the thought of posting feedback challenging and overwhelming.

In this particular case, I think enough solid reasons have been given to back this FR—now it’s up to Denon to listen or not.

So the same “suggested maths” could be applied to every single one of the hundreds of suggestions for firmware changes; not just the request for even more zoom.

Given the vast history which Denon DJ have carved out for themselves with countless (but easily hundreds of) new features being added via firmware - we know they listen and act upon it

We have a certain wing of politics in the U.K. who like using the ‘silent majority’ slogan. Anyway I’ll leave it at that as this isn’t the place for discussing that subject.

As far as the request goes, InMusic did go some way to assisting with this by adding a function to move the play head position to allow for more of the incoming track to be seen.

They also did another update that removed the waveform from the DB and now have it ‘drawn’ in live. I don’t know if that impacts the ability to have extreme zoom on the waveform, but logic would suggest there is a strong possibility.

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