Ok, can you tell me in practical terms, how does drm chip update makes it harder for someone to rip music from Apple or Amazon, vs Tidal in old hardware?
Not considering analog hole, how could someone rip digital music from engine hardware?
I am guessing it would involve hacking software or modding hardware, or maybe both?
What are the chances of someone doing that, vs just using open source software and ripping what ever he wants with 1 click(yea itâs that easy!)
I have worked in video streaming industry, was in charge parts of development of brand new OTT VOD platform, and we implemented DRM, payed for it, spent months of development on it. Millions of euros were spent on it, project was delayed because of it. And results? Our original drm protected content was ripped in a day after release.
Tell me how that is not waste?
Not just drm, whole industry everywhere is filled with "standards, certifications, consultants, etc) Some of them are good and make sense, but huge number is just wasteful.
Record Labels are the top of the food chain, if they want people to use their music they are free to impose rules that allow that music to be used. In this case they ask Streaming platforms to follow some security protocols, followed by vendors who host those streaming platforms.
InMusic havenât wasted any time because ITS A REQUIREMENT OF THE RECORD LABEL TO HAVE SECURITY IN PLACE IN ORDER TO STREAM THEIR CONTENT. If they hadnât done it, you wouldnât be streaming anything, so whatever feature you think is far more important, would be pointless as it wouldnt have music to work with for anyone who wants to stream.
What youâre essentially claiming is criminals cant be stopped so everyone should just give up, if thats the case, the world truly is fâed.
It doesnât and you know that already. The fact is that record companies simply require some sort of copy protection and thatâs that.
You also shouldnât have to lock the door of your house, but your insurance company requires you to lock it if someone wants to take advantage of your stuff. âYouâve done your best; put a good lock on the doors and are careful with the keys.â Doesnât mean someone could still break in; itâs easy even.
I think what he is saying is Tidal has got a simpler and cheaper, but eventually equally effective lock. I agree that makes sense. I also agree this is not Denon DJs or Apples fault, but nonsense from the record industry - as far as I can judge at least.
For Tidal to DJ with, itâll cost $20, so you probably indirectly pay something more to the record companies to not have a DRM block on the device. Apart from stems.
Heâs one of those âeverything should be free for meâ types Stu⌠or at least heâs in the realms of âI bought the car at a big price, so all my petrol should be free of charge foreverâ
best we all leave him to it⌠heâs got a lot of tagging and meta data manual entry to do lol
The problem is that this DRM chip is a Pandoraâs box.
Before the arrival of Amazon Music, other streaming platforms didnât require it, not SoundCloud, Beatport, BeatSource, or Tidal.
Now that itâs been incorporated into new devices, and Apple is also requiring it, itâs likely to create legal caution for all other potential future streaming players who want to require it too.
And tomorrow, if Deezer arrives, it might require the use of the DRM chip too.
Originally, it was supposed to be a specific feature for Amazon, and now that itâs here, everyone will require this chip to work.
And all the previous owners of older devices will be left in the lurch when it comes to accessing the new streaming platforms.
I admit that personally, I couldnât care less about Apple Music and Amazon because I donât use these services. But if Deezer were to arrive later and also require control of the DRM chip, I would be truly disappointed not to be able to use it.
Because unlike Tidal, Deezer doesnât require a special subscription extension to work on DJ equipment or software and allows stems.
YET⌠Tidal didnât also until stems came along.
You still seem to forget the record companies⌠They dictate on how you access and play their music. Itâs not your music. You donât own their music in any shape or form.
Only if you create your own music and release it on your own label.
The labels on Deezer, Tidal, or Beatport are the same as on Apple Music, or Amazon.
Why would labels require that certain platforms use DRM keys on Amazon or Apple but not on Soundcloud? I think itâs definitely not just the labelsâ role in all these choices.
And as you say, Tidal operated for a very long time with the basic formula without extensions on DJ products without this causing any other security issues.
Deezer works perfectly on Virtual DJ with the most basic formula for DJ use, and whatâs more, with no restrictions on the use of stems in real time. Itâs just that Virtual DJ is designed with software security in mind so that tracks cannot be extracted.
Tracks are encrypted in memory when downloaded, but thatâs the software that does it.
Of course, it will always be possible to record the output signal on an external device, but it is so long and restrictive that no one will do it.
Played first set with Apple Music and it is nicely implemented. What I found particularly neat is that in the Apple Music settings on Engine Os you can choose between clean and explicit
Streaming for DJs is slowly getting to that phase where video streaming is for consumers: super fragmented, with increasing limitations and higher prices every year.
Agreed. I donât think itâs the labels asking for DRM chips, but the providers (Apple, Amazon) because theyâre in a position to do so. Theyâre big names, and if Spotify was still in the game (accessible on DJ kit) theyâd probably be doing the same, as theyâre the biggest fish.
Amazon are #2 and Apple are #3.
The others are all part of the 1.7% at the bottom of the ladder.
I had stability issues after updating to 4.3. I found my SYNC drifting when trying to mix. And I am seeing some glitching in the waveforms during playback. The system was rock solid for several gigs over that past few months. But, now I have issues. My desktop software keeps freezing not as well when I am syncing new playlists. Any thoughts, suggestions or fixes? I have one week with no events then I have 4 in a rowâŚso I would like to get things fixed and secure. Thank you.
I did a 5 hour gig on Saturday with the Prime Go plus and several times the music stuttered or glitched. Not great in a busy venue and I never had any issue prior to version 4.3
Itâs always surprising to see the differences in usage habits between countries.
For France, the market distribution is quite different.
Here we have Deezer, which is a major player among streaming services, well ahead of Apple Music. Deezer is a French company, just like Atomix, which probably explains why there was a partnership between these two companies to integrate Deezer support into Virtual DJ.
Iâm not really surprised to see that Deezer isnât very popular in English-speaking countries, because all the other players are English-speaking, with the exception of Spotify, which is the Swedish exception. But Spotify was probably the very first streaming service, which explains its dominant position worldwide.
Sorry you had to go through that. Very frustrating. I downgraded my Prime 4 and âGOâ to 4.0 before my gig this past weekend and everything ran just fine. But, I had the same issues you did with 4.3. And it is really frustrating to not get a response from any Denon Tech team to let us know what the status of the fixes might be. Or at least acknowledge that there is a problem with the update and let us know they are working on it.
Hello. From personal experience I can say that when I wrote about an error on this forum, a representative contacted me and clarified small details. Of course, this is not enough for an ideal development of events, but still.
The specific reason I stay with Denon gear is because the company take so much interest - Iâd love to hear where youâve had a better experience than this
