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Nah, most likely not for non-owned music. Might be yes for owned music.

Seriously? Here’s an a arrogant answer for your arrogant answer, and don’t pretend that reply didn’t come from a place of arrogance:

Have you ever heard of some music management concepts… idk maybe like usable playcount? tags? colors? track linking? auto grouping by year and month added? These have nothing to do with performance, why are you so against ā€œnewā€ features?

Or are you even aware that maybe, just maybe there some dj’s out there who play multiple types of events often and need to have various genres of music organised and keep their sets fresh?

It’s something i’ve been dreaming for over 10 years now. If you are a private events dj, a comercial rezident dj and an underground dj on almost all possible different genres (each with warm-up, main and after). Having everything in one collection is a nightmare. You get lost in a lot of playlists, searching tracks brings remixes that are irrelevant. Also the ratings and energy don’t make sense anymore. I might have a deep tech track that works as a warm-up for club, but that same track is a banger in a late underground set. So having multiple libraries would offer the possibility to mark tracks differently for each situation.

I still don’t get sorry, you can have sub playlist inside master playlists, different storage media for different events etc, it just seems like more complication having multiple collections.

Honestly, I’m starting to think modern ā€˜DJing’ is more focussed on spending hours in a piece of desktop software moving files around and tinkering around with preferences rather than mixing music.

Does the DJ world need to get back to basics and move away from this obsession it’s got with libraries, waveforms, cue points, marking everything out on a track, organising, re-organising, re-re-organising.

Nobodies ever actually talking about taking 2 pieces of music and mixing them together anymore.

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This means I can’t use stars for energy levels. a tech-house song might be a low energy compared to the bass-house I play in the club. If I play at a drum & bass night and I start with liquid and end up with neuro, liquid tracks will be a 2-3 stars compared to 4-5 stars for neuro. BUT if I play a 2 hour set of liquid, I need to mark the high energy liquid stuff as 5 stars. Now add to all of this dubstep (with it’s various flavors), jersey club, baile funk, latino, pop, trap, old school hip-hop, garage, speed-house, psy trance, reggae, dancehall, funk, ghetto-funk, minimal techno, breakbeat, latin house, dance, tech-house (all the house and disco and flavors), underground techno, commercial techno, and so on, and you can see where some might need more tools to keep everything under control.

We the ā€œmodern dj’sā€ are the F1 drivers of mixing. Some of us like to mix on the edge of risking having people clear the dancefloor just because we played a risky track 8 bars longer than is should have been. We don’t play it safe because safe is boring. DJing is more science than art, and science evolves. Don’t get me wrong, I enjoy playing a good outdoor laidback set in which I mix intro to outro, socialize, relax, but that’s like driving on a sunday.

How did i know you would also massively over use genre descriptions too, 55 different ways to describe techno, then imply that im the boring one :rofl:

Also describing yourself as ā€˜an F1 driver of mixing’…. Nah mate, that’s Louie Vega, you’re a Skoda VXR

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Yes of course I’ve heard of all those things - but I wouldn’t say the library software was unusable without them. Why for instance would you need playcount in library software? Surely the playing is done on the hardware.

FYI the software already has tags. Colours, track linking, grouping? I’ve been DJing for decades without any of that. It’s all fluff.

If this stuff has nothing to do with performance, why do you need it? IMO being a DJ is all about performance.

At no point did I say I’m against new features. Some of us here have been waiting literally years for features that were requested (or even promised by Denon DJ).

Yes, I’m one of them and have been for over 40 years. Long before digital DJ software, star ratings, playcount, colours, tags, track linking, auto grouping etc. etc.

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Imagine thinking you’re talking to people who don’t know what
DJing with multiple genres are :person_shrugging:, or ā€˜taking risks’

That’s before even delving into my A-Z of albums and compilations, starting at 4hero (I don’t expect anyone under 30 to even know who they are) and ending with Whitney Houston. Traversing acid jazz, UK garage, hip hop, DnB, west coast rock, blues, hardcore and many other different types of music.

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For analytics. To see which songs I tend to play the most, which I tend to play the least, Maybe I want to have a playlist with songs with 0 plays and every 3 tracks I’ll play something from there just to risk it. Maybe I want to make a collection of my top 100 played tracks and delete them from my collection. Maybe I want to give them to a beginner dj as a head start. Maybe the reason I don’t play some of the songs is because I can’t marked them with colors and I scroll pass them.

If we live in a world where features exist to make our jobs easier, why would’t we want them. You make it sound like other companies implemented some feature which people don’t use, but yet there are feature requests over feature requests. And I learned being patient waiting for Denon to release new features. It doesn’t bother me at this point.

What bothers me is that you and @STU-C have been called out a lot of times on this forum for your exact behaviour of putting your foot in passionate people’s mouth in a very arrogant manner.

You always say things like ā€œThat’s not essentialā€ ā€œNobody needs thatā€ ā€œThese modern dj’s and their absurd wants and needsā€ Instead of ignoring a comment or just say something like ā€œI would’t use it but it sounds like a cool ideea, I’m sure some would like this featureā€. Have some positivity and support for others.

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I made an opinion about the culture of DJing shifting towards focusing on preparation in software rather than actually mixing music, this isn’t fiction it’s true, you only have to browse around various forums and social media channels to know it’s true.

Literally nobody back in the day got home from work or a party etc and thought ā€œI know what I’m going to do, I’ll sit and type out cue markers, line up beat grids, put colours on my music, rate their energyā€ or whatever…. They said ā€œget the decks on and mix some tracksā€

And let’s be honest here, you just made a not so sly, snarky dig at my style of DJing above (that’s actually quite narrow minded and not really knowing what I can or can’t mix), implying it’s basic and boring, whilst not actually posting any mixes of your own for scrutiny. At the same time as bigging yourself up as some kind of pinnacle of dj expertise (the F1 comment), so I’m not sure you’re in pole position (pun intended) to be pulling anyone up on positivity and behaviour.

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Well there’s the difference I guess. I don’t need to see a playcount to know whether I’ve been playing a song a lot. I’d just know from hearing it so much. :grinning:

Don’t mistake me for a dinosaur though. Although I still have thousands of vinyl singles and albums for the trusty Technics, and a large CD collection, I’m still well aware of the latest tech and making use of it.

If I say it’s not essential that’s because it isn’t. I’m just being honest. When it comes down to the nitty gritty, the essential things for a DJ are the music and something to play it on.

The older guys here speak from experience gathered over many decades. Learn to accept the teachings of the elders. :smiley:

Have you? or have you not been called out a lot by others on this forum?

I’m wondering if this will be the basis fr a new sc6000+ with the drm chip included and some other new features.

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The news is great, of course, but one person wrote on YouTube that with the advent of Apple Music, Beatport was removed, is this true or a hoax?

Any chance we’ll see Apple Music supported on the Sc6000

For the record, I’d love a play count, but on the device more than the desktop app.

Moin @STU-C,

You hit the bull’S eye

Enjoy the day and brgds BeatMaster

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Pretty much zero I’d guess given it lacks the DRM chip that the plus models have

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There’s no chance.

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At this point Denon need to make an announcement where they are going with standalone units. A SC6000+, a completely new flagship unit or nothing at all.

This is actually coming for all softwares so nothing to be braging about and sounding like its exclusive for engine