You can now stream on them. You can beat grid directly on the player. Create playlists. On board analysis. Some of the main reasons I went with the Denons. Much of the flashy effects on the players can be done with the mixer as it should be. Don’t think stems will even become a thing any time soon as most pros will mix vocal stems in ableton before using a vocal only stem live. Let’s agree to disagree I think I’ve made my point, hard to believe no other djs with these products feel this way.
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My gut tells me we’re dealing with a troll here
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Pioneer’s quirks & limitations are so annoying I’ve put up with InMusic’s own unique issues, including releasing gear prior to it being sufficiently tested. Looked at from another perspective, Pioneer lost some market share due to their own choices. I own both Pioneer DJ and Denon DJ gear, and neither is ideal. InMusic is more receptive to improvement and added features, though, even if that’s been limited or slow.
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I’m 
been commenting on this forum for awhile. As you can see on my profile. its just all becoming clear what the game plan was from the start. Just a regular user that dropped thousands on mediocre equipment.
It has improved, believe me I was here at Engine 1.0.0 and I am still here.
Let me pull rank 
A good few of the usual suspects responding to you got in after the journey had started. I think I also made a post just like yours.
I appreciate Denon’s approach on trying to improve already released product. It was part of the marketing campaign then: they said they were “over-engineered” and “future proof”.
I didn’t even know what that meant back then because I was used to the pioneer model where most updates are usually stability fixes and new features are reserved for new hardware releases.
I feel both approach have its place but I’m mighty happy that I don’t have to buy a new device to enjoy the technological advances.
In the words of one of the Denon OGs @DJ_Vintage my €0.02
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We all are djs because we love music and we can surly get enjoyment out of these products. I’m glad that Denon and engine have been onboard with providing new technologies. The problem lies in the creativity lost when we are dealing with basic functionality problems. The time we could be spending on creativity is now spent organizing and beatgriding in a roundabout way. Give us the tools to be most creative and efficient, these are some of the foundations of djing and music creation. When we don’t put these ideals first we all lose as a culture. The fact is that there is way more amateurs than veterans in the game nowadays, we need to be giving people the tools to succeed, not hinder their creativity.
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As someone who remembers being on Scratch Live prior to it even having effects (with ironically a Denon controller for hot cues and sampler, that I still own)…. I still feel I’ve had more out of the Prime 2 updates in this short time than pretty much the whole journey from that Scratch live to the current DJ Pro.
Yeah like most companies they are far from perfect, but InMusic are improving these machines at a far faster rate than anything I’ve seen before.
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It is better that you go to Pioneer, so you will know that Denon is far superior in almost everything. My personal opinion, that you are wrong in everything, if you want what you had in a tractor, use it, if you want Pioneer, spend a lot of money and use it, yes you want stens, use virtual dj, if you want the best, use denon and learn to take advantage of it and enjoy what no one offers you. Pioneer improves the firmware of players like Denon? Not even close, but you are free to do and say what you want, even if many of us think you are wrong, good luck with Pioneer, I will never go back, Denon is far superior, at least for me…
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For what I’ve learned from the Tidal website ( https://tidal.com/partners/pioneerdj ) is that you cannot stream from the CDJ3000’s but you can hookup a computer with the paid version of RB from which one could stream. But I’m absolutely no expert here because I’ve left Pioneer during the “2020-hiatus” and I’ve never looked back since.
Streaming from Pioneer’s hardware is only with Beatport, and only with a wired LAN connection. Also it’s CDJ3000 only, whereas Denon has access on all Prime players, wirelessly and not restricted to Beatport.
No contest. Clear winner.
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I remember you being a critic in the past @PKtheDJ (and rightfully so!). 
And yes, there’s still lots of work to do.
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You’ve made a great point but from what we’ve seen so far, the original questioner is simply out for an argument, is only agreeing with people who are sucking up to him and his viewpoint, and is ignoring all other points of view.
What each individual classes as “basic” or “fundamental” will vary from person to person. Some won’t give a hoot about beatgrids, some will; some will scream blue murder is there’s not 30 new effects per month… others won’t give a hoot
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…of Denon? Yes definitely, in the form of specific constructive criticism rather than ambiguous rants. 
A big one for me when I got the Prime 4 was not being able to hear the mic in the headphones, which got sorted.
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This is the key takeaway here, most of the complaining above ended up being difficult to follow/understand rants that didn’t really give any clear info to the actual issues they are having.
serato and Traktor laid the groundwork for how a DJ software should function years before engine was even released. Crazy to me that engine didn’t use these programs as a minimal jump off point but claimed to be top competitors. Call it a rant Stu-c but this is a very valid point I’m making. Call it what it is a minimal DJ software. Everyone else clearly understands me, why are you trying to make it look like my opinion is invalid. You said what you want to say now let others give their input.
but what are we talking about? until proven otherwise traktor is losing market share precisely because of the antiquated management of the beatgrid, currently I think that the best management of the grid is precisely the one used on the prime series, knowing how to master it is another matter
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Yes it is easy to go in and correct a beat grid but doing this individually on thousands of tracks makes no sense and a huge waste of time. This takes away from actual time users can DJ for to express their creativity. When I bought these I never planned on using the desk top app but when I’m forced to I expect the desktop software to at least be on par with Traktor and serato.
I left Traktor precisely because of the grid management, tired of having to import files into Ableton correct the grids save a new file and re-import into Traktor, Denon has improved the workflow a lot, for a decade I waited in vain for Traktor to introduce them flexible grid.
Traktor and Serato are DJ (performance) software. Ditto VirtualDJ, Rekordbox etc.
Engine DJ is just librarian software. Not the same thing.
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urthermore, a few day ago djay introduced a monstrous new detection algorithm, which has further raised the bar, Native Instruments will have to work hard to close the gap