The CDJ-3000 only features one layer, got released just two years ago and costs over 2 grands, so I’d damn hope it doesn’t stutter, lol.
All other CDJs and XDJs (minus the RX3 and Opus Quad) have crappy waveform rendering on their sluggish, resistive 20fps touchscreens. I think this is what Reese was talking about, and rightfully so - quite embarrassing it took them that long.
SC5000, released in 2017, already managed a stable 50fps rendering.
My Live 4 renders two waveforms perfectly fine. Very smooth. I don’t mix four decks, so I can’t elaborate on that. I didn’t experience stuttering per se, more like (rare!) freezes of 1-2sec when the whole unit runs into its buffer limit - but I’ve to provoke that, and it was worse than it is now.
Honestly, until I saw it on these forums I never even noticed anything on mine, then after I went looking I noticed every 30 seconds or so a slight flicker… but I had to go looking, and it’s literally irrelevant imo. If people are focused on that, they need to get their heads in the music more, I don’t need to lecture you on it but the whole idea of DJing is to get yourself lost in the music, not a computer screen, there’s games consoles for that
Thank you to those who answered me! And reading again other comments, really inMusic has no obligation to update the equipment with new features, but rather to fix what has been giving problem and does not work as it should! I think the maximum! This is what propagated and groups on Telegram, whatsapp and Facebook, which Denon today has the differential of providing its users with updates that not only correct but also add resources to the equipment, even after years!
And look, sc5000 is there as proof of that! Powerful hardware, has a lot to show within its limitations! Imagine how happy a sc5000 hj owner is, 6 a os later?
But there’s a catch, are we happy? I am yes, I am m intusiasta of technologies, I became intusiasta of Denon! I’m waiting for new updates with an immense anxiety to see what new will have my equipment after updating it! But at the same time, I suffer from silly things like the delay in reading folders via link! That comes update and remains the same! Create playlist directly from the “PREPARE” option? This is a function that will change everything and I can’t wait for it to come out! Ok, use 2 ssds of 1tb In each of the players! Link is only in the last case!
But that’s it! Problems have! But I’m still 1000x my sc6000 than any Pioneer!
The delay thing is super annoying, but many people have reported it and it’s definitely being looked at by InMusic so if they can solve it they will im sure.
This indeed. A steady stutter may appear smooth, but it’s not.
Phil has an old CDJ-3000 vid which is 25fps, but the screen stutters. I would need to see a 3000 IRL to confirm. CDJ-2000’s and XDJ’s are all non-smooth.
Big name movie producers keep using 24 and 30 s their chosen FPS though dont they.
Ive been messing around with the Hz setting in Serato tonight and styled on 40 as I couldn’t tell any difference between 40/50/60 so figured id save the GPU… 30 was a little more choppy than the rest but still doable… the Prime looks like a dream to all of them in comparison.
Oh yeah, I don‘t get that 24fps ‚nostalgia‘ either. Tech nerds and marketing guys go crazy about 4K, 8K, 16K… but on the same time prefer an ancient and choppy framerate. The Hobbit trilogy at 48fps was great and I certainly wouldn‘t mind 60fps movies either. But 48 would be a sweet compromise.
As for Serato, I didn‘t notice significant difference between 60 and 50fps, but 40fps became noticable and 30fps just awful. That being said, even my trusty old 2015 Retina MBP had no issues with 60fps, so I always kept it in sync with the 60Hz screen refresh rate. I would never need 120fps waveforms, though —> rule of diminishing returns.
I didn’t know that all DJ gear with a display have stuttering waveforms.
I only know my own standards, and if I had tried a mixer with stuttering wavforms, Denon or other brand, I would have, asked for another unit or model, and if they’d show the same flaw I would have left the store, researched the internet for counterparts. And have another shot. If then realizing, “Oh this is the standard of DJ gear”, then asked myself, do I want to pay that money for this or not. In the end I maybe would have bought the Prime Go anyway, knowing the flaw. This regarding the display/waveforms only.
Then there’s the battery thing. The lack of fx in cue mode/phones, which I probably wouldn’t have noticed in the store since I’m new to the DJ gear and quite a lot to learn before realizing what you need or not and what’s good or bad or a bug or not… Lack of channel meters. And some other things. If I had know these things in the store I would probably dismissed the model, looking at the vinyl option or something, I’m not sure.
The small form factor and the small jogwheels I like, and the horizontal EQ layout is no problem for me since I’m new to this hobby. The flat display is also ok for me.
@pasha
Yes and you shouldn’t look into the gift horse’s mouth, checking the age of the animal(estimating the value of it from worn teeth), it’s considered being cheeky since it’s a gift.
And, are the updates a gift or a business model? If it’s the latter you are not cheeky, in my opinion.
Yes, finally the Denon prime 4 went wrong… last night (after playing with the new update for almost a week)… did it go wrong… occasionally song ran too slowly, as if there was no power enough… slow sound… luckily there was a friend who helped me with his Prime 4 so that the party could continue, but unfortunately my Prime 4 didn’t have a good time… put the old update on it today, let’s see if it works
Well I as a good gamer, I can say that fps makes a lot of difference (laughs)
I’ve been with a cdj 3000 and you could see that it did not have the same fluidity as a Prime! It makes all the difference these 50fps in the waveform on the screen of a Prime! And because it is so fluid, even those who do not have so much perception, end up noticing small chokes! I can say that this occurs in my players, but you know what? I don’t stare at the screens! So that’s something that doesn’t bother me!
Hey man sorry it took a minute, but I made a separate post on here today and it contains the links of two videos that show the laggy waveforms that I’ve been encountering. Please take a look when you get a chance. Thanks
. I clearly crossed threads.