Beatport Offline Library Help!

Hi - how/where do I make use of Beatport’s offline library where you can download up to 1000 tracks for use offline? I have a Professional+ subscription to Beatport but don’t see anywhere in Beatport or in Engine DJ Desktop to create, view, edit, or download an offline library. I don’t actually have an offline library for the same reasons: I can’t figure out where to create it, how to add tracks to it, where to view it, or where to edit it.

Thanks, Scott

Hey Scott :blush: unfortunately this feature isn’t currently supported in Engine. Hopefully will one day - would be a great feature for sure!

I think there’s a feature request thread here on the forum where you can go and cast your vote :blush:

Asking as a longtime tech entrepreneur - is this a demand issue or a resource issue? I’m genuinely interested and not looking to be a critic. It’s curious to me as my perception of the Denon ecosystem is very positive - it seems that we’ve seen a regular cadence of major and minor releases for Engine OS. I’ve always been impressed with the Engine OS teams’ rapid pace of bug-fixes and their rapid release of major features such as streaming. Very often they were earlier than nearly any other DJ platform on the market. What seems to have continually lagged is the desktop app. It’s been dearth of features from the get-go, the team is slow to fix issues, slow to add table-stakes level UI features, poor performance, etc. I’m bought into the ecosystem but the desktop app doesn’t boost my long-term confidence of staying bought-in. I use Lexicon exclusively for library management. I’ve been bypassing Denon Desktop for years because it offers no value when compared to Lexicon. Denon has an opportunity IMO. The DJ library management and associated tool ecosystem is highly fragmented - most people have toolchains involving at least 3 separate utilities: MIK, Traktor, Platinum Notes, OneTagger, etc. Use the best tool for the job, right? That’s close to what my toolchain used to look like: 4-5 tools. Lexicon has slowly evolved and improved and added features that were as good or better than most of the separate tools I was using previously.

I don’t get the sense Denon is making headway into the club business - the club hardware business specifically. Maybe, like Cisco, Denon DJ has decided to become a software company and get out of the hardware business; build a business on licensing the OS on any hardware. Maybe. I’m not opposed to that idea at all - software is typically orders of magnitude more profitable than hardware. Given that Engine OS has market momentum, licensing deals seem promising, presumably the company wants to grow and perhaps has even had the brilliant foresight to have crafted this long-term strategy to own the club - given all that - having a killer desktop app is good business. Irrespective of Denon DJ’s hardware ambitions, I think the following statement is valid: Denon DJ should want to strengthen their ecosystem for a better experience overall. Denon DJ represents 1/2 of my workflow today: Prime GO, Engine OS, Lexicon, Mixed In Key. For someone running a Mixstream Pro or System One, Denon DJ most likely represents only 1/4 or as little as 1/6 or 1/8 of a typical DJ workflow.

I’m rooting for you guys. Maybe go offer Christiaan a pile of money and put Denon DJ Desktop in the round file. Maybe there’s a loophole where you can ‘donate’ it to open source and take a tax write off. Anyway, you ditch Denon DJ Desktop, you polish the Lexicon UI and you keep all the features, add end-to-end stems support, offline streaming, and now you have the absolute best DJ library management tool in Lexicon, tightly integrated with the best DJ OS in Engine OS. The fact is, the small team at Lexicon is outpacing Denon DJ in feature dev, bug squashing, enhancements, and support - I honestly have no idea how they do it.

I hope I don’t sound like a dick, and if I do, it wasn’t my intent. Call me enthusiastic. I really do love the Denon ecosystem and I absolutely want to see it have long term success :oncoming_fist: The long, slow decay at Native Instruments broke my heart. Now I’m dying to know the market economics.

Guys, this is what happens when you “semi-retire”.

For my next act, I’ll be taking a call, on speaker, at Costco.

In what seems like a twist of irony, Traktor fully supports Beatport in their desktop app, including the Offline Library. I would include that in a pitch to management.

Unless something has been released recently there is no stand alone unit that is able to hold the Beatport offline locker regardless of manufacturer.

Below is taken from their streaming pricing page

“Supported on all DJ software integrations. Not supported on: CDJ-3000/X, Engine DJ OS, OPUS-QUAD, OMNIS-DUO, XDJ-AZ, Beatport.com, Beatport Mobile app, Beatport DJ.”

I would imagine this is a licensing issue in combination with the the onboard software.

I guess the ATDJ units might be able to run the offline locker via the laptop RBox software but that defeats the object of the stand alone unit.

The Engine desktop software can’t be compared to the others as it is only designed to do the library management aspect. There would be no point in giving it Beatport offline locker support, unless they could find a way to enable transfer, which would probably require online activation + a continuous connection to validate the license whilst the EDJOS unit is running. This is fraught with potential issues, and certainly not something I would rely on for a gig (just buy the music to support the artists who give you the ability to do your job).

As for the rest of the post (which seems off topic). Yes there are some things missing in EOS and the desktop software that I miss from RBox, but the only one that sticks out for me is Tags (which you can get around to some degree by sacrificing say album info and having fun with smart lists). If someone responds with dynamic beat grid, stop, RBox dynamic grid was, and probably still is, awful.

Yes we can pick at highlights of different software, but none of them do everything well.

Denon did announce once, a long time ago, that they would be supporting offline storage for Beatport. There was an official statement on the Denon DJ site and another on Beatport.

Unfortunately some time later, Denon removed all evidence of that statement from their site (with no explanation as to why) - but the Beatport one stayed up until fairly recently.

That’s gone now too.

See Beatport link to Engine Dj - #4 by PKtheDJ

Ooh this is still up though: Beatport Link and offline storage coming to Denon DJ hardware | MusicTech

“by the end of 2019” eh? So much for that idea :rofl:

The “best” part is everytime you mentioned that and posted that link - not a single time anybody from inMusic replied to you or in general posted what has happened to that feature.

They simply pretend it does not exist.

I remember a post here on the forum where it was said they will engage us more, mark feature reqests as not doable so our votes do not lay useless for years etc. :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

I didn’t pick up on the nuance between supported devices for streaming (footnote 1) vs supported devices for offline storage (footnote 6). Rather than, “Best for mixing without Wi-Fi”, the Professional and Professional+ licenses should say, “Best for mixing without Wi-Fi - but not on standalone gear.”

I would imagine that it’s the responsibility of Denon and Pioneer (anyone making standalone hardware and associated OS) to incorporate the controls required by the recording industry to best mitigate pirating. For example, support for periodic hardware check-ins validating an active subscription, support for expiration timestamps, support for encryption, etc.

I am not sure of the technical details, but I think the Denon XX+ series of devices have some kind of hardware in them to allow for Amazon streaming? Someone else with more knowledge could confirm.

Whether it is hardware, or possibly a lack of desire from the music industry to make it easy?

I pay for Beatport streaming, mainly to listen to the full tracks and to test them out on the DJ app. I currently have the advanced so I can mess around with ideas the decks although as I am typing this I realise I barely ever use that function and could probably get away with the Essential subscription (just downgraded). I have never used the streaming for a live gig as I don’t trust it enough. Also I like to own my music just in case. Licensing can change overnight.

This thread has saved me £72 per year. Appreciated.