All these issue are on the latest software / firmware of the prime 4
Issue 1. When loading tracks into the Prime 4 while connecting to your PC unless there in some sort of folder or added to a collection the Prime 4 will not pick them up at all. Even the Prime Engine software will not analyse them either unless in a collection. This is no issue on Serato at all.
Issue 2. When in the Prime 4 and you are wanting to look for a new tune to play at random and its say in a folder it doesnt show any of the details of the track like key or bpm only the track name. The only way is to hold your finger down on the track to get the details which sometimes aint there or you have to add it to a prepare list. This is kinda annoying to me because it stops me doing mixes and just adding random songs in like i would do when using my old DDJ SX.
Issue 3. BPM range. Like someone else as posted in this forums the BPM range you have 5 selections to chose from. But depending on what you choose some of your track will just be wrong BPM like 60 will be 120 and 70 will be 140. At 1st i really didnt notice untill i saw that post and checked so now im going to have to mess and see if i can sort it to my taste.
Issue 4. Sound FX. when playing a track and you try add some of the sound FX to it 9 outa 10 times it will either turn my tracks volume off or it will just stutter the track. Ive tried different things with it but it always ends up doing the same. Anyone else have this issue?.
Thanks for your message but as weāve outlined, bugs need to broken out into separate topics. Combining multiple issues into a single thread makes it difficult to identify and investigate.
Iāve replied in line to your comments below.
I donāt fully understand what you are expecting here. When you put PRIME 4 into USB/controller mode the drive is mounted to your computer and can be accessed just like a USB thumb drive. From there youāll use Engine Prime to add the music to the internal hard drive.
Serato DJ support is not yet available. This is coming later this year.
This is not a bug.
If you analyze your music first in Engine Prime. PRIME 4 will display all of the track metadata such as key, BPM, etcā¦ in the library view.
This is not a bug.
As mentioned in numerous threads, we are working to improve our current BPM detection algorithm.
This is a feature request and already in progress on our side.
The only way sound will cut out if you press the PARAM button for Echo, Reverb, and Hallecho, thatās because that button is a āFREEZEā FX. It allows you to use the Wet/Dry to build up the effect and then press the PARAM button to freeze or hold the effect while muting the program audio. Itās useful when transitioning out of a track.
Maybe because i didnt accually put them originally as bugs but issues with the prime 4 atm in a topic in the prime 4 secrion but a Denon staff member said post them in the bugs section so i do and get oh these aint bugs at all. These are just things that are annoying to the user. But to answer issue 2 look at the screenshot below for what im trying to explain. Ive selected the classic house folder for my next track but i would rather it show all the details instead of just the name so i have to add to either prepare list or load it up to find the bpm and key.
Yes, I answered this for you as well. When you look at tracks in a folder you only see the file name. If you want to see all the metadata you need to bring the music into Engine Prime and create a playlist or crate.
coming from Serato where i had folders and it showed the whole data its kinda annoying to see it not there now so i have to search instead for a track or just load it on to check it suppose i might get used to it or i wont we shall see.
I know the feeling of āit doesnāt behave the same as my other thingā
But different doesnāt mean wrong or worse
Also with most things thereāll often be a whole load of things that new item does better than old item and some things that old item did better or at least different from new item
Rarely does anything show itself instantly as better in every respect and every situation - thatās life, thatās technology, thatās DJing
Ok. Iām in! lol Prime 4 was in front of meā¦ I couldnāt resist. What IāVE noticed is on the main screen where you have all of your waveforms itās VERY easy to grab the scroll when youāre trying to swipe a song to one of your left channels. I did it about 15 times last night at a gig. Otherwiseā¦
FLAWLESS performance from the Prime 4!!! Used everything but the zone out.
The absolute ONLY thing (and Iāve voiced this already) - I wish Denon wouldāve mimicked the pad layout of the SC5000. I know different doesnāt mean worse and I can get they probably wanted all other controller DJs to feel comfortable (and especially since itās also a serato board) but I LOVE the layout of the SC5000s. To me for cue play (which I do a lot of) the playability of the pads from left to right is just WAY better. Itāll just be a slight train for my brain, but itās a wish for maybe the future. Your design language for the SC5000 is just perfect to me Denon! Please consider keeping it for future models.
Saying that. I will say I really like the pad feel of the the pads on the Prime 4. They take a very light touch to engage which mean rapid taps are a joy!
But again. Everything else was awesome! Loved having two XLR for my mics and I LOVE the FX layout on the Prime 4! WAY WAY better than on the X1800! So thatās a plus!
And I am still hopeful for Pitch Play!
Either Way. Happy to see Denon on a roll here! Prime 4 gets a thumbs up from me!
No performance, of hardware, software, or DJs for that matter is gonna be much cop without preparation.
And preparation is what engine Prime does - but you only use engine Prime at home for the prepare part of making your show better, when you actually perform - and that performance is standalone.
Thereās no point in anyone taking āstandaloneā as meaning āIāve never even touched a computer ever in my lifeā
No one neeeeeeeeeeeeds the meta data but itās a nice thing to have.
lol There is no ārequirementā to use Engine Prime. However, if you want to view all of your metatag data the files need to be analyzed. This is standard process for every DJ application on the planet. We have an advantage to other hardware products on the market as PRIME 4 can analyze on the fly so you really donāt need the computer at all. For the best experience, I would recommend running your collection through Engine Prime first.
Again this is a recommendation and not a requirement.
You do not need to run files through engine prime, though if you want more advanced features you need to prep tracks beforehand, just like EVERY OTHER DJ SYSTEM.
Prime 4 is standalone in the same way the other standalone systems on the market are.
You can drop any playable track into the unit without first analysing. The unit will analyse the song on load, if you want it to be analysed before loading, you gotta run it through engine prime.
This is exactly the same as Pioneers XDJ/CDJ line, and presumingly Denons SC5000/M line too, which are all standalone units. The same happens using controllers, should you not analyse the tracks first, this will be done on load.
Music doesnāt come with the full track analysed for use on any DJ software, you gotta do that yourself or load the track and let the unit do its thing.
