Why denon is not doing these

Hi team

why Denon didn’t think of doing some equipment like the pioneer xp1 - xp2 and the DJs 1000 sampler so we can get into the ecosystem as full

You should look at Akai for the sampler, they are owned by InMusic.

As far as the other devices go, Denon used to do a Serato controller (I have one) but nothing since. It’s probably not worth their time as they wouldn’t be able to make it for Rekordbox so sales wouldn’t be massively high.

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There’s probably a fair chance they did think of it - might have come to the conclusion it didn’t make sense for their product range. Pure speculation though :blush:

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Yeah I guess they’re relatively niche compared to the controllers, mixers and media players.

I wonder what the percentage is of DJS-1000s sold, compared to the DDJs, DJMs etc…

How often do you seen anyone using something from the Toraiz range?

The big advantage of Prime stuff is Ableton Link, meaning it can sync to over 200 different software apps and hardware devices - including the new Ableton Move, the Push 3, the Maschine+, Akai’s MPC range etc.

As others have said, Denon DJ (one of the InMusic pro audio companies) would be seriously treading on the toes (and profit) of Akai (another one of the InMusic pro audio companies)

Akai have, I’ve no doubt looked deeply and thoroughly into the sampler marketplace; the needs, the wants, the wishlists and desires of what different people would expect to see on a sampler. They’ve already done the groundwork, the research.

Neither of the two directions from that are particularly appealing.

Namely, Denon DJ either brings out a sampler which steers well clear of what Akai have already researched and found to be the most wanted functions and feature sets, resulting in a rather dangerously niche product, with an equally niche (read “unsuccessful” sales expectation, or… they just take the current Akai sampler units and stick a Denon DJ badge on them, for the sake of branding.

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If they really wanted to, Denon could give us an internal software MPC functionality…

We already have a “sampler”. It just needs refining. Take a slice out of Akai’s MPC 3 update and add it to the Prime units!

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I LOVED my HCS1000S!!! :sparkling_heart: It was such a great piece of kit. Heavy, sturdy, responsive. Absolutely perfect.

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Back when Serato was bombproof and never glitched… you’re right about the build and responsiveness though, mega. It’s pathetic that they have removed support altogether for it too, it’s just a midi box.

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The Akai Force is like 3x more powerful than the (more expensive) DJS1000 and can easily be synchronized via the broadly accepted Ableton Link protocol. No need to allocate resources into extra gear, when Denon’s sister brand Akai has you fully covered with many options.

The big advantage of Prime stuff is Ableton Link, meaning it can sync to over 200 different software apps and hardware devices - including the new Ableton Move, the Push 3, the Maschine+, Akai’s MPC range etc.

:100: this.

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There’s a bit of a thing circulating at the moment that the Force has been discontinued. Sweetwater in the US have claimed as much to at least one customer.

thats great to know as i own mpc one already

On facebook akai user group one guy posted the response from akai customer support, that the force is not discontinued and there are no such plans at the moment.

Hmmm, I wonder why Sweetwater are claiming Akai told them it’s discontinued?

Search for it on the Sweetwater site and it says " Sorry, the Akai Professional Force Standalone Sampler / Sequencer is no longer available".

I mean, if it was out of stock, or maybe being replaced by a Force II, they’d say “currently out of stock” wouldn’t they? :thinking:

It’s also disappeared from the inMusic store at https://inmusicstore.com

OK I just found the statement on Facebook: It’s not officially “discontinued” - but Akai are currently not manufacturing it, and have no plans to produce more.

It can mean that they can’t buy more. There is no official statement from akai about it being discontinued. And as I read in the comments from akai users - sweetwater does this kind of thing pretty often with many items.

But it was just a brainless (and I don’t mean that in a derogatory way) box, which serato and other midi software could “listen” for button #5 or button #2 etc being pushed. A fancy doorbell push on the outside of the door, while all the thinking was being done by the laptop

It was amazing build quality, just not a standalone product.

Sometimes it’s all you need for certain applications…

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Not sure who claimed it was. :smiley:

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What you see on engine os logo at the middle of headphones :headphones: is your answer

I did it my way with what I already had in the studio… :grin:

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What program are you running on the iPad, how is it hooked up to the rest of the gear?