I have a denon sc live 4, I find it excellent apart from one big negative point: why can’t we zoom out more on the view of the playback tracks in order to facilitate the structural alignment of the music?
The worst I think with this weirdness is that it would only take an update to correct the problem, why doesn’t it exist?
You might do an advanced search of feature requests for this. I did a quick search and found this for Prlme 2/4 with 159 votes. I don’t have time to dig deeper at the moment.
https://community.enginedj.com/t/more-zoomout-on-the-beatgrid-with-use-of-knob/36950
Men i saw some topic for this subject old as 5 years and yet, no response from denon, i think they’ll move only if we push the subject often
That’s a wonderful idea but not how it works. If you do a forum search, you’ll find there are several hundred requests for new features ALL being pushed by their own requestors, all with quite a lot of votes, all absolutely essential, basic, so easy to add etc blah.
Inmusic release on average, 3 or 4 firmware updates a year, with dozens of new feature requests being added - so it’s not a case of them ignoring any requests - but clearly with hundreds of user requests (all critically important as all the others) all the requests are not going to happen quickly, some may not happen at all.
Instead of massive zoom out ranges, you may have to listen to the track
listening to the track doesn’t tell me if the build up on the deck A end exactly when the drop on the deck B start
the only way is by putting cue point, but it’s a lot of work to prepare it on each track and it’s not working 100%
I don’t even understrand why they bridle this so much ???
My apologies if you thought that I mean just one listen to the tracks that you play.
There is a full track waveform which is shown in most views - you can see everything that’s coming up on that form.
Apart from any welcomed feature, isn’t this part of being a DJ: Preparing and knowing your tracks?!
it’s not precise at all, if you miss it by 4 or 8 beats (which can easily happen since the two waveforms are not superimposed) it ruins your transition and you catch up in a wobbly way
I’m not a fan of 100% prepared DJ sets, I only do that for very big performances
the rest of the time I only prepare a playlist with a more or less precise order of passage of music and cue points on them to navigate faster and skip passages of music so as not to play the entire 5 minutes and do something more dynamic
I’m talking about tracks; not sets. Don’t you know the music you play for your audience? How can you take your audience through a music experience, if you don’t know the tracks you play? I must be too old…
I’m a Dj/producer who mix for techno event very often and I add new track for my djs sets very frequently, i can’t remember for all of this new tracks the duration of that one bridge or that one build up… (it’s obviosuly less a problem the capability to zooming out for big event cause it’s always on CDJ, CDJ who let you superpose the waveform by the way…)
I know everyone want to flex and say “if you’re a real Dj you can do without that” I know how to mix without the capability of zooming out a lot! It’s just that it’s a ■■■■■■* nonsense to cannot do it? why??? just why???
Well… maybe some extra zoom out will get added to firmware in the future, maybe it won’t.
It’s not as though the current zoom out level wasn’t there and could be tested prior to purchase, or that the box or point of sale blurb said “this model features 2 minutes of track visible ahead on the waveform” but only gave 24 seconds
Just have to wait and see.
Honestly it seem so evident for me to let the zoom out very large that i didn’t even look at this when i purchase the sc live 4
The real question is not, why they don’t implement this but more : why did they bridle this???
It’ s an absolute nonsense, who in their office decicde “let’s work on our software to bridle the view of the waveform for only 12s”
It’s not a road with cars, the security of people is not involved…
OK so why are you claiming it’s such a massive issue that you can’t zoom out a lot?! 
Maybe most of us don’t have an issue because we’re not fixated on the waveforms, but we’re listening to the music and making decisions on the fly.
If you’re not a fan of 100% prepared sets, why worry that your transition is “ruined”?
Obviously it’s best if you have listened to the tracks in advance and you know where things happen. If you’re playing so many tracks you’ve never heard before, how is Denon to blame?
Whoopies.
By the way, on some of the Prime models, the play head / line can be moved to the far left of the screen to show more of the future waveform - some former advocates of “I simply can’t DJ without half the track marching towards me” have advised that moving the play head to the left of the screen, instead of the centre has been enough for them. Give that a try
1 : Why did they bridle this?! Juts why? it’s non sense….
2 : this device would be way better if so, it would be way simplier to synchronize the structure of 2 song and make really good transition
Maybe cause if the zooming out wasn’t bridle it would be way 10 times easier to mix tracks that you only listen once but you know it’s a banger and mixing spontanisouly without preparation is also ten times funnier (imo) but for this it’s very good to have the possiblity to zooming out a lot
I love to just download a batch of new song, export them on usb key and improvise a dj set for a small party, it’s fun and you can test the tracks.
But without the capability of zooming out a lot it happens often that the structur of 2 song doesn’t match for 4 or 8 beats
it could be avoided easily with just one update 