VL12 pitch fader dead zones

@subwax, yes they do indeed have a RESET 0 button.

Then why have so many dead zones? I am struggling to make sense of it, to be honest.

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Here’s where I saw it.

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Which the VL12 doesn’t even do and is desirable even on models with tiny center deadzones. So the deadzones are huge in the middle and on the ends of the VL12, and if you’re in the middle the light doesn’t come on simply due to position. The light only comes on if you turn on Quartz Lock.

Heard before? How can you say that you have to hear about a possible issue with your own company hardware, when, in fact, you have to know very well all the inside and outside of your own product…That is, if it is your own product indeed and not manufactured by some third-party turntable company, emulating what is the best for many years. To be able to give a pertinent and well documented response, you have to make your own in house tests on a batch of exemplaries if the same product, looking for consistencies and inconsistencies at the same time, before putting the product on the market. The tech team should have looked and Investigate for possible issues well before releasing the product to the world.

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Hi @subwax, I’ve reviewed with the product team and they can confirmed the 3 dead zones on the pitch fader which were put in by design to allow for DJs to return to 0 quickly and accurately.

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That makes no sense at all. Someone slap 'em up side the head or something for that one.

  1. It doesn’t explain the deadzones on the ends.

  2. If you want to return to zero quickly, you hit quartz lock, you don’t enlarge the center deadzone.

  3. Regardless of how large the center deadzone is, the center LED needs to activate when you’re in the center deadzone, not just when the quartz lock is on, otherwise you have no idea you’re even in the center deadzone. If you’re outside the center deadzone and you turn quartz lock on, that should also activate the LED. Use the center LED as a ‘zero pitch’ indicator.

Between all this, the antiskate issues people have reported, the motor fighting platter drags and nudges, and W&F issues (many threads on this subforum on all these), I think you guys need to entertain a version 2 of this deck… or some kind of repair program like was done on the Twelve.

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Thanks for checking, Jay.

Thats really disappointing to hear, to be honest, and I’ll have to find another deck, as I cannot accept a reduction of 25% of pitch bend for a feature I will never need or use (or understand, to be absolutely honest). Reticuli makes a good point - the explanation provided does not deal with the dead zones are either end, only the one in the centre. It has to be a manufacturing error, as it surely could not have been designed this way.

I agree - a V2 is needed here, without these useless dead spots.

Woah! That is a terrible design flaw. This is what Quartz Lock is for. I was waiting until I came across a set of VL12’s to test before buying. Now, I’m not even going to do that. Glad I never purchased them off the cuff.

I doubt many companies are going to try anything special in terms of vinyl turntables in 2020.

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Has their been a sudden drop in TT usage in the last 2.5 years?

Not that I’ve seen. I actually got my Technics MK7 order delayed again, not because of a shipment issue, but due to being so far back in the line on pre-orders. Also, everytime I sell a turntable online, it moves within a week. CDJ’s and controllers can take 3-4 weeks+.

Agree with all others… WHY seriously :frowning: in the beginning I was planned to buy the VL12 but this is a major issue in my opinion and understand why Technics are still the king of DJ turntable

I have not found the dead zone a issue, if you look at the side of the platter the lines on the top of the platter stay perfectly still when you are in the dead zone. when you come out of the dead zone they start moving. For beat matching I have had no issue and if your mixing house they are just perfect and I owned some Stanton’s straight 150’s before these and the V12 is defiantly more accurate and than the Stanton The guy in the youtube video you posted saying the platter wobbles mine is perfect on my Denon V12 and he claims the start button is plastic the black bit is metal, do you know how i know this? Because it is cold. And the sound quality on these thing is amazing best ever sounding turntable I have ever heard. I have owned Technic’s 1210’s Numark tt pro’s and the sound quality is better than both of them.

I personally ignored that review and went and purchased them anyway their are plenty’s of good reviews to suggest these are a solid turntable, I went by the majority of the reviews and not just by what one guy was saying. Their are 4 good reviews against his one and so many happy customer reviews.

Are you saying your pitch faders do not have the big deadzones in the middle and the ends of the travel (not to mention that the LED doesn’t come on when you’re in the middle like every other DJ turntable I’ve ever used) or are you saying they have the big deadzones but you just aren’t bothered by them?

The dead zone is their but like I said the lines on the platter become perfecly still so you know when your in it so its not a issue for me. as soon as you come out of the dead zone the lines on the platter start moving.

I understand what you mean, but that’s still irregular for DJ turntables (both the 3 big deadzones and the lack of LED lighting when in the center one), unintuitive, and unlikely to have been an intentional part of the design regardless of the ludicrous excuses being given for it after-the-fact. That one issue is reason enough for me not to get them.

Sounds like their motor firmware has been improved since HellNegative tried them, because the ones he used had some bad W&F with DVS.

So you don’t have any platter wobble…

Any play at the tonearm bearings? Curious if that’s been improved on the latest units, though admittedly that’s less of a valid issue when juxtaposing to Super OEMs that often also have a touch of bearings play from Hanpin erroring on the side of less versus more tightening… but the Super OEMs can be had for way cheaper, especially if you’re willing to settle for ABS plastic on the body. So if you’re paying a premium and not getting Technics, there really ought not to be such poor adjustment and workmanship on the VL12 arm.

What about the weird glitches with the motor? Does that strange power off glitch thing not occur anymore?

are you talking about the turntable still turning when it turned of if not i have not noticed anything thing else and someone said they like the deadzone .

here is a guy talking about why he likes the dead zone and he explained why it does not turn of instantly.

That guy sounds completely idiotic. It makes zero sense. Anyone trying to make excuses for the three big deadzones and the LED not lighting when in the center is just looking like a fool. It’s an oversight. It might not bother you, but don’t start pulling stuff out your bum to cover for it. These online “pro reviewers” are all on the take and not to be trusted. Ad money. Plain and simple. You ever see a review of the Gemini MDJ-1000 by any of them? How about the early problems on the SC5000s? Nope? There’s a reason.