Just received an email this morning. See section 5.
So what’s the point of paying extra for a DJ Extension.
It’s generally a reflection of what the labels dictate.
I think it was always regarded as personal use as Beatport has always said the same yet they offer the pro plan.
Most, if not all, media we buy at consumer level is personal use. To use it in a professional environment licensing fees get really really expensive. Professional use swings more towards music or audio licensed for use in movies or theatres, corporate presentations, TV programmes or samples in songs.
With pre-recorded audio there’s always been this clause and that applies even with media you’ve physically purchased like records or CDs. Mojaxx did something about this on one of his YouTube videos regarding licensing and said it’s absolutely okay to stream Beatport and Beatsource when playing out for gigs. I’ll find the video as I linked to it in here before. It’s why there were created.
Tidal push the add-on for DJs as they get extra cash. They’d quite happily sell you the plan but in their terms and conditions write that it’s for home DJ use only!
Here as link to a discussion we had regarding purchased tracks (not streaming) which have pretty much the same wording in their clauses:
Vince solved it with (check your local restrictions to see if it’s legal) and answered in the first post:
It wasn’t so much the home use part which concerned me, as their standard Ts&Cs always said that, despite them openly supporting DJ use and promoting it on their partner page.
It was the part about “Not all TIDAL Content is made available for use with the DJ Tools”, so…if you have a DJ Extension, you get access to LESS content than the standard account!
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If you are a Vinyl DJ. Your music says not for public performance or commercial use.
You can’t play it for money on a radio show for example, without additional rights. You can’t play it in public unless that venue has a public license (common for the uk and usa) I know some countries have a per DJ license instead.
Same on a CD.
Same as streaming music.
What tidal are saying is that they don’t replace the extra licenses in the country you’re in , you still need them.
So you’re still able to use tidal for paid and public work, my advice is use it for the odd track you need rather than whole sets, as streaming is risky when you’re relying on wifi to make your whole set work.
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Not all labels are signed up to stems. I don’t think tidal can separate for DJ use and for use with stems, hence coming up with the dj license for anything that can split stems and bundling it under the same license.
There was some discussion when serato got stems, but I can’t recall which label is very anti stems.
No, actually the usual wording is that UNAUTHORISED public performance (etc) is not permitted - therefore if you do have authorisation, then you’re fine.
OTOH streaming services miss out the part about authorisation. They just say you can’t use it. Certainly in the UK, streaming services are omitted from PPL/PRS licensing, so no it’s not “the same”.
and how would one get a label to authorise a public performance, answer you’d not get it.
a quick google says if I play tidal music on a live stream, prs does cover. it.
"This could include everything from gigs, concerts and DJ sets "
Oh DJ PK the not really a dj is wrong again…
PRS doesn’t even cover all UK music published and played it’s that far behind and it’s not fit for purpose, but that’s a different discussion.
Who said anything about “getting a label” to do it? Certainly not me.
I even mentioned the licensing bodies in my post.
I also didn’t mention anything about broadcasting music on a stream, but Twitch (for one) have got that covered now.
The license I’m referring to is called TheMusicLicense.
"Under The Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988, permission is needed from the relevant copyright holders – those people who create music – in order to play or perform music in public.
Obtaining TheMusicLicence gives you this permission, in relation to the vast majority of commercially available music. This ranges from grassroots and independent artists and composers through to the biggest names in the business."
You literally said on the record labels label it said unauthorized - it’s their condition, only they can authorise it
“I also didn’t mention anything about broadcasting music on a stream”
Twitch is a streaming service.
facebook live is a streaming service
The PRS talk about “Live Streaming Service”
If you want to pull someone up on details, then you need to be specific.
Did you mean music streaming services? Because that’s not what you said.
Like I used the warning from vinyl from memory and the same from CD.
the point remains the license you have for digital/cd/vinyl is not for public or commercial performances
You need to obtain an additional license to do that in certain circumstances.
Check for the country you’re in, as what you think might be correct may not apply to the posted country.
This post if from 14h ago, and if you see my original post it broadly agrees with you, so not sure what your rant about a 2 year old post that you were wrong in, is about.
Jeez, here we go again. It’s like trying to explain nuclear physics to a banana. 
Yes the copyright notice is on the record label - because that’s the media that stores the music - but it’s NOT THE LABEL that issues the licenses.
I get the feeling you know that already, but you’re just determined to argue on your sad little solo “Anti PK” mission. The thread is about Tidal. The thread is about copyright terms. It’s not hard to follow (for everyone else anyway).
Please try to understand the plain English that’s being written. Funny how you’re the only one failing to understand…
My reference to streaming services that you’ve quoted is to MUSIC PROVIDERS such as Tidal (we stream FROM them). Not services that we stream TO. Once again, that’s the subject of the thread.
If you want to play music as a DJ in a disco or at an event, the organizer usually has to take care of the rights. However, this depends on the contract! So always read carefully! When streaming music, the streamer usually has to cover these costs themselves, unless they point out in their contract terms that the person who wants to play the music publicly is responsible for it. Basically, music may not be played at public events in any country without the permission of the producer. As I said, in Germany this is the GEMA on behalf of all artists…
Here you can find the arrangements of other countries…
@DJChil , would you kindly take a chill-pill. Pedants, especially incorrect pedants are not very sexy.
No need to argue over this. Furthermore nobody needs to offer legal advice on this community forum when you can simply research it yourself.
If you are performing in the UK the rules are straightforward and yes, there are events where you can use streaming services while remaining compliant with the law. If you are serious about performing out you can look online for definitive advice - I’m not going to link here because it is so easy to find.
No I’m the only one who can be bothered to correct you, despite lots of advice to give up as you don’t listen, I thought it was worth a go and to correct the record.
So you’ve incorrectly referred to streaming service like twitch and now was to correct your statement to refer to streaming music
So lets show where you’re wrong again.
Lets preface this, with the sensible advice, that DJ’s shouldn’t use music that they don’t and isn’t local to their device, because bad things can happen when the wifi disappears or slows down.
That said
you can use that completely legally for a public show and commercially, before you play your main set of legal local music.
You’ve already answered your own second question.
If you have “the music license” for the music you’re going to play on Tidal then you can legally play it.
If you don’t and want to use a streaming music service - use one like soundtrack.
See that’s your problem, stop looking down and trying explain nuclear physics, you’re really not capable of it.
You can’t even manage the difference between a streaming platform and streaming music. So I’d stick to bananas and explaining things that are clearly beyond you to them.
Come on guys, give it a rest. This is supposed to be a forum for discussing professional equipment and not a place for pedantic children.
Give yourselves a shake ■■■.
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I’m just not going to feed the troll any more. It’s not worth even a millisecond of my time.
Please let this be the one time you’re right.