Just a couple of small questions about streaming agreements:
After all, there’s a lot of talk about what’s legal, what’s not legal and so on.
(Many countries have different rules in these areas)
And you see / have seen various software that has offered streaming, where it has suddenly been removed.
The agreements that Denon makes with eg Tidal, BeatPort, SoundCloud etc - how do they position us as users?
Is there anything we should be aware of?
What is the chance that the opportunity to access Tidal, for example, is suddenly removed?
If this is answered somewhere else, I´m sorry to bring it up - but I didnt seem to find any direct answers on this elsewhere.
It’ll be only fair for each user to identify whether streaming or any other music playback is right for them. Not only do Different countries have different laws and guidelines, but even different venues are licensed differently and even different types of event will make a difference.
Like for me, it’s ok to stream and play all my hard drive tunes at any party that is family and friends of the hirer, like a wedding or birthday. It’s ok too if a room full of people have paid for a meal but the disco is supplied “free” to everyone who bought the meal, like on valentines night or a Christmas meal party disco night. Also I’m ok to stream and play from a hard drive or original formats if I’m at a bar or public house (pub) where it’s free entry to all patrons attending.
But if I’m doing an event where people have paid on the door or in advance because of the music being the main event then the rules are different in my country. Myself or the venue have to buy a licence for the night. It’s usually based on how many people are going to be there and how many hours of music will be played. The licence is less than 50euros and overrides ANY stipulations about copyright or playback limitations.
As I mainly do family events, in venues licensed for copyright music playback, I don’t need to worry about whether I can or can’t stream.
As a open format dj, I also prefer to bring all my own music - have almost 70K tracks with me everytime.
But there is no doubt, streaming is the future - on good and bad…
Some of the comments I get from Pio-djs that I´m trying to “convert”, is that “its cool you can stream, but its not legal”…and I know different countries have different rules - so my questions are more ment as “do Denon have any special aggreements, that makes this fantastic solution legal written in to their contracts?”
Can a user say that “since I´m using Tidal from a Denon product, Tidal says its ok”… (I know we probably cant and that its only wishfull thinking )
Once again, nothing negative in my post… I just would like to get a bit more info on the area, so I get wiser
I dont hope my questions are ‘marked’ as critisism either - I just find it interesting if there are any ‘permission’ added to the agreements, for us as users.
From a company standpoint, though, specifics on this topic aren’t necessarily an advantage. There are a lot of different laws in a lot of different countries, and, frankly, they probably don’t want to get into it too much or lay down anything that might seem binding in some jurisdiction. I think from their perspective it’s the DJ’s own responsibility to figure it out in their own country and act based on what they think is appropriate for them. This goes for both the legality of materials used in live scenarios and how long you can expect any of this to continue… or even necessarily confirming anything I’m saying here. Are you guys worried about pre-paying for some yearlong subscription and it suddenly not being supported? I’d say stick to month to month.
A device Or it’s maker isn’t wrong, when that device can stream, and can be used in any country, for any sort of event, amidst any sort of venue or local license.
Do Colt or Winchester or Glock fit GPS to their guns to stop them firing in certain areas? Of course not, it’s up to the owner to use it how they feel is right in their particular situation
Thanks for all your input in all directions… I actually just was curious whether there was something in their terms/ agreements that we as users could lean on to, regarding using the streaming capabilities.
I will let this post be for the next couple of hours and then delete it… If it continues down this path, it will end up looking as some sort of complaint, which was not intended.
I think if you just mark this last post of yours as a solution the thread will lock on its own in a day or so. I don’t find this thread to be too complaining or hostile or anything. If InMusic feels it’s too much ‘exposure’ for us to be getting into this topic at all, they can certainly delete it themselves.
Well, I mean the solution is just not to talk about it on here probably… as in they might not want to get into it too much for reasons of their own. Marking your comment saying there technically is no solution, though, would kind of be brilliant.
It’s your thread, so do whatever you want, obviously, but it’s not as if other people aren’t going to ask the same question, and this could be a useful pointer for them if they bother to do a search.
Please refer to the service agreements of the particular service you are using. We act only as a vessel to access the service similar to how a smartphone or tablet does.
No.
Not sure I see the point of this hypothetical question but these are early days of streaming in the DJ booth and the future is looking bright. I’m not concerned.
It was only a question that popped up in my head, as we have seen other softwaresolutions providing the streaming functionality, where it suddenly as been removed. Nothing else
But yes we are in the early days, and I agree, it sure looks bright, seeing what Denons brings to the table.
Here is my take on it, I don’t think I would ever use this in a live setting for the same reasons you mentioned. Although, I wouldn’t mind using Spotify integration to fully try tracks that I feel that I could incorporate into my set. Being open to multiple genres generally drives up costs. I wouldn’t mind the option to explore other genres that my pool lacks and to negate spending anxiety or buyer’s remorse . I wouldn’t have to second guess anymore “Do I need this?” “Is it worth it?” “How would I incorporate this?”
Remember though that denon has waved the denon magic wand over their clever way of doing streaming. It has far less risks than other streaming options
On prime the whole track is downloaded fully into the primes memory before playback starts, so you don’t have to worry about the track stirring or pausing for buffering during playback. So it’s great for adding tracks that you don’t own yet in between all the local storage tracks that are on your harddrive.
(I know we probably cant and that its only wishfull thinking 
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