Hi there. Here’s my short conclusion when playing outside. It always works fine in the beginning. After hours pass and air humidity changes, the jogwheels start misbehaving: nudging is treated as vinyl movements for some moments. When it worsens, all nudging is being read as vinyl movement. So I have to push vinyl mode button on and off every now and then, BUT it’s hard to tell which mode is on AS the light difference is too weak to tell if the button is ON or OFF. This has happened to me in the summer nights of Northe Europe, but also in close to freezing ski resorts. When ever I bring the gear back to room temperature and wait - it all starts to work fine again. Mostly I’ve used SC Live4 with LC6000s, but it’s probably the same with SC6000, as these too have static jogs instead of mechanical ones. -So here’s my short guess, why the Denon players aren’t being used in festival stages. Because they stay out there for long time with varing air humidities and can cause unwanted behaviour on most basic features. -Has anyone else had this sort of issues? Also the realisation, that you can’t make difference if the vinyl mode button is on or of? Let’s be honest: in hectic situations with drunk people around and playing until the sunrise - all basic features shouldn’t take that extra effort to use them.
It’s got absolutely nothing to do with jog wheels as to why there is an ‘industry standard’, so good guess, but no I’m afraid that plays no part in it.
If you play mostly at home, there’s high chance you don’t realise the seriousness of this sort of issue. It really does have impact.
I understand what you’re trying to do here with this comment, but unfortunately it’s not the little flex you think it is.
I’ve owned decks since 1999, I’ve been gigging for around 24yrs and I have racked up well over 1000 paid gigs in that time. I remember the first generation CDJs being released and even owned one (the CDJ-800), followed by a pair of CDJ-1000 mk3. I’ve been involved in this journey of Pioneer/Alphatheta becoming industry standard since the very beginning. I also had a residency for over a decade at an extremely busy venue in our area with a CDJ Nexus setup. The same venue has hosted some of the world’s top DJs at many events.
So please, try not to make petty comments about someone’s experience level when you have absolutely no idea who you’re actually talking to.
I’m telling you now, the jog wheel has absolutely no relevance to the discussion around that brand becoming industry standard.
- They were industry standard a long long time before Denon Prime gear ever existed for a start.
- most DJs don’t even use vinyl mode on the decks these days, they use ‘CDJ’ mode and have the whole platter as a nudge setting
- The industry standard came about due to a number of things, including a standardised mixer layout with the DJM-500 and 600 that still rings true today.
- Also being the first to bring the CDJ with the first ‘vinyl’ jog wheel to the market (helping to win over vinyl DJs), despite the function no longer being widely used.
- Rekordbox became the next step in the dominance, they were able to entice people in with cheap controllers (that follow their design language) then have them tied into the software with all their prepared music.
- finally marketing has played a role in this, with top level DJs in each genre being brought on board to talk about the virtues of the product. The likes of Zabeila, Sanchez etc.
So whilst you may believe that Capacitive jog wheels are the thing that caused all this, the actual reality is very different. And just an FYI, mechanical jogs are extremely unreliable too, and offer just as many issues when (because they will) they develop a fault.
- STU-C, when I hover mouse over your profile here, it says: Home DJ. That’s what you get, if you label yourself like that.
- Dj-s often are acting like most perfect people and playing in most perfect conditions - top club with top who ever. I did not really ask about this. I asked if you have been in higher air humidity situations with Denon gear.
- When it comes to the past, then yes, I startet mid 00’s and was long time owner of cdj 100-s, then 800-s and played a lot on 400-s. If you mention most DJ-s don’t even use Vinyl mode - how should I care about that? Perhaps your memories are too much in the past. We are here Denon users and I don’t think Denon DJ latest models offer stuttering cue-point setting? Obviously not. If vinyl mode is advertised as an option to set cue points then THAT’s what it should deliver.
- You still leave the question unanswered: you played in higher humidity for real with latest Denon gear? (Not CDJ-s) Or, give an overview what has to be done with mechanical wheels to get them fixed? Share something that we could use instead of protectionist attitude.
But You do have a good point here: having stuttering stuttering mode as a back-up for those high air humidity situations would probably help a lot (in case they’re not planning a mechanical jog). And Rekordbox users would apreciate it as well. Making a bit more seamless transition from cdj to Denon. Makes me a bit sad Rekordbox changed their library in a way that Denon players don’t read them out for granted. It seems to be the reason Denon might not continue with dedicated media players SC6000 line. I might be overthinking here. I’m not native English speaker, how do you even call that, stuttering mode?
I think it’s called frame cueing, because the CD red book audio was broken into 75 frames per second, and cueing on very early CD players used that before emulating vinyl cue.
DJing isn’t my primary source of income, so in that respect it is a hobby, albeit one I can earn money from.
As far as solving your issue goes, turn off vinyl mode, I’d never use it at a gig anyway, too many people around who can seriously impact the sound by placing their hand on the platter.
Assuming you’ve already made sure the electrical outlet is properly grounded with a ground wall tester and that the AC cable’s ground is working right with a multimeter’s continuity mode…
When the unit first turns on, keep your hand away from the platter. When it’s done booting and calibrating, test it by tapping the top with your hand. It should trigger immediately, stop triggering immediately after contact stops, and not trigger when your hand is hovering very close to it. Turn the tension knob to minimum if the player has one, lift the platter up a few times by grabbing around the periphery and pulling up, and then move the platter back and forth a few times. Test the platter again with your hand. It’s annoying, but you should do this each time you use them.
I have some ideas how InMusic could fix this from happening again on future models.
My comment may be a little off-topic, but I think stutter mode is no longer useful on such equipment these days. Stutter mode made sense on older models that didn’t have a screen for viewing detailed waveforms, a beat grid, or quantization.
But with all this technology, what’s the point of stutter mode? You can easily place your cue point just by enabling quantization if your beat grid is in tune, or simply by basing it on the waveform’s transient, even if you disable vinyl mode. And this is someone who uses vinyl mode 100% of the time telling you this.
Just my 3 cents on this point.
I’ve noticed that the capacitive jog wheels on the Prime 2 and the LC6000 don’t react the same way depending on whether you lightly touch them or apply light pressure, even though they’re theoretically not pressure-sensitive.
For example, if you barely press the tip of a finger to make light contact without applying any pressure, the ring doesn’t turn white. And the more fingers you have on the surface, the lower the risk of misdetection. I think the more skin surface is in contact with the jog wheel, the better the conductivity on capacitive jog wheels.
All the Prime non-Ms use the same variant of capacitive touch tech inside, but most of the consoles, as far as I know, don’t have the tension controls that produce plastic dust that can make them worse when you’ve used them with the tension cranked up.
I just got back to where I could use and test my gear. Yes, I’ve made a mistake in this post and comments, BECAUSE as soon as I press pause to the track or the playing doesn’t take place, the jogs are AUTOMATICALLY IN VINYL MODE ADYWAY. Yes I feel stupid I know. Duuh..
And about framed cueing - no, I don’t miss it. Clad I chose Denon gear. I really don’t have to switch between the modes when being in the high air humidity environment. Let’s just hope the nudging mode stays on when higher conductivity takes place.