The fight is over gents. Be nice.
I also don’t know why Serato made this difference and perhaps it cannot be done.
Low hanging fruit approach perhaps! Why bust your 
The SC6000 is the first non serato branded device to have moving waveforms…I suppose that’s something.
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To have the waveforms integrated on the SC5000/M’s would obviously mean more money spent from Denon side (from a business perspective) or maybe a win win deal, don’t know… Just all speculation
Lul what? Moving waveforms is already in the SDK. The SDK is shared between all Engine OS devices. This is on Serato, not Denon.
Well … in my opinion, I think not. That in this case this implementation has not been the result of the use of the SDK by Serato, because of the interest for this to work in Serato was by Denon.
In my humble opinion, it has been a business strategy to drive the sale of SC6000/M units. This is enabled by the firmware of these units, which is almost a clone of the native screen, but by enabling a container at the bottom of the screen, where Serato injects the waveform.
Enabling it for the SC5000/M units could have been done very simply with a couple of lines of code, but it was not his will. Scheduled obsolescence.
We will always have amazing, great and perfect integration with Virtual DJ, which is not moved by hardware interests like Serato and Denon.
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I highly doubt you are correct, here’s why.
If Denon wanted to artificially start segmenting their product stack by denying the SC5000 units features, they could have done that long ago.
They haven’t, even right now there is currently only 1 feature I’m aware of that is different between the SC5000 and SC6000 - namely the smaller font size to fit more tracks on screen in browser view. This actually doesn’t make sense to port over to the SC5000 anyway as the screen is smaller so text starts to become unreadable if you shrink it further.
Apart from that, every single new feature on the SC6000 has made it to the SC5000, including dual waveform view, so based on the evidence, you are fundamentally incorrect.
Not to mention, Denon staff have stated publicly they do not intend to do as you are suggesting.
Serato have stated that they have no plans to bring it to the other Prime units. It is totally their decision and until then it will have to be lobbied in the Serato on their forums as they aren’t active users here.
Theoretically speaking:
The Prime players are able to do it (VDJ have them) although I did hear somewhere on here (or the VDJ forum) that horizontal moving waveforms in VDJ was causing frame rate issues so they went with vertical waveforms as it showed less waveform on the screen. Maybe someone can confirm?
In Serato, if they could only do vertical on the SC5000/Prime 4 players then that would mess with the player interface that Serato has chosen to go with and that would then change the whole layout. This is a big risk for something that is already established and in use. I actually like how VDJ have done it to be honest. It reminds me of that Reloop controller with the screen on it.
I guess Serato decided it was too big of a risk to change everyone’s view just to get some vertical waveforms and waited for a model that didn’t cause framerate issues. I’m sure someone will be here to clarify that but I’m sure I remember it from the time VDJ did it unofficially then went official.
Also, I’m not sure how VDJ do it but IIRC Serato do a form of screen grab/capture with the waveform from the software. This is how the MCX8000 and Numark controllers did it and I guess the Pioneer S range battle mixers.
Then again, I suppose if the MCX8000 or Numark controller can do it, there could be a chance Serato just realised the juice wasn’t worth the squeeze in development time. After all, anyone using Serato will still use them regardless. If they have to code and program separately for each controller, maybe the time spent was enough to show it as a “vanity project” to say that it can be done and that is the test case?
“Dear [manufacturer]. If you want waveforms like on the SC6000 it will cost you [x] per unit”. I wonder how many hardware companies will hard pass on that? Dev time isn’t cheap for these guys and the CDJ2000 sold enough to survive without the waveforms in SDJ.
I know I’m rambling and being theoretical but it just opens eyes to it being more than just “we’re not doing it because we don’t want to”.
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IMO Serato needs to do the most. According to the @philmorse Dig DJ tips last survey, Rekordbox has almost caught up with them, although the data did not differentiate between rekordbox and rekordbox dj/dvs.
Perhaps the current code is just not robust enough to add on screen features like that.
Imagine combining the 6000 and S11/Rane 72. That’s easily 12 waveforms potential. 4 x 6000, 2 on the mixer, 4 on the laptop.
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Yes, it was Babis (djdad) who said:
“Main reason for this is the poor/slow refresh of the Prime 4 screen - actually how the SDK handles it. If you have large parts on the skin that get constantly refreshed, the result will be stuttering graphics. That’s the reason we have chosen the vertical waveforms, to reduce the area that gets refreshed. Even then, you can still notice a small glitch , especially when 2 waveforms run at the same time (2 tracks playing).”
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Ahhh… It was a hazy memory but was sure it was the case. Thanks.