Turns out people like to talk about an industry that they’re heavily invested in. That’s all that’s going on here. You’re welcome to ignore.
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I was referring to the comparison talks of the two decks…but sure champ I will ignore should I choose to.
I suppose that’s one way of looking at it, though I wouldn’t call jog bend sensitivity or touch calibration particularly hard issues.
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Depends on the question…
I know what the CDJ will know more in…Raising the price 
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Did KKR ever micromanage Pioneer DJ or any of its other holdings? Now it’s Noritsu, of course, that owns some of these, including Kodak and Pioneer DJ. I doubt these holdings are sharing resources, though. Technically it was Bain Capital that owned someone who owned someone who owned D&M that Jack O’Donnell bought Denon DJ and Marantz Pro from. InMusic is literally the company you’re buying a product from with Prime, though. Denon DJ is the branding, but its HQ is in Rhode Island and for sure InMusic shares expertise internally. Not a knock on either company in this regard, but just seems a difference.
Just counting the logos is meaningless… take a LOOK at the logos.
Under the Denon model are around a dozen companies all with strong, long term experience of the pro-audio performance market.
Under the pioneer - 50 or so companies, with probably 5 that any notable number of people will have heard of… one of those is Kodak, which has been run into the ground recently, and almost in the very center of the logos … Toys R Us, which had to close many of its stores two years ago.
That’s why the inmusic camp is doing so well.
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That’s exactly the point the graphic is making, that’s why the 3000 has Ali Express above it.
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Interesting. Didn’t Bain Capital at one time own Allen & Heath?
To my understanding two large umbrellas had Allen&Heath under them, in the past. Harman (now Samsung) and D&M Holdings. The last had an investment by Bain Capital before parts were sold to “our” Mr. Jack.
my goodness… I have an apostrophe where an apostrophe doesn’t belong (edit: fixed it)
Did anyone notice that the WE ARE SHOCKED video is inaccessible today?
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Discuss here:
I like both players. Both have their plusses over the other. Overal, the SC6000 is the better player though in my opinion for obvious reasons: double layers, on board analysis, multi-functional pads, better placement of these pads (although that is subjective), multi-touch screen, can read rekorbox whereas Pio cannot read prime etc etc.
The “club standard” argument may be true. It’s been said a dozen times: club owners have no excuse to pay twice the price for half the value as Denons can read rekordbox. Any guy worth the name “professional DJ” should be able to work the Denons in a matter of minutes.
I do like the beat jump and key sync on the Pioneers though. Also the concept of “track filter” is very cool and easier than on the Denons. Soundwise, the CDJ3000 does sound a tad warmer in my opinion. But all this does not justify the huge price tag: on a studio monitor you hear the minor difference. On a PA, you do not.
What does ■■■■ me off at the moment though is that I ordered my SC6000M set in January 2020. I received 1 X1850 and 1 SC6000M in August 2020. Since then, they’ve been keeping me waiting and 10 promised dates of delivery have not been respected. Now they say it’ll be end of November. Which is why I’ve been looking at the Pioneers. Strangely, COVID is only an excuse for Denon and Pioneer seems not to be affected by it… That is very sad.
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I’m also waiting on my second player. Pioneer also has way more money as a company to throw at distribution (they partner with smile/amazon) than InMusic/Denon does. Pioneer can lose money upfront and recoup later.
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Or get sold again…
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One question, we know from reading here and elsewhere that the SC6000 has a lot more functions and seems to be the best player currently, but are they as solid as Pioneers? I am not familiar with Denon products at all and cannot find a discussion on it. If regular users could testify, that would be great !
I use my SC5000’s for 3 years, home, stage, club, touring - never let me down. Still working like new. I believe that SC6000 will not be any worse.
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In all fairness I will say that I don’t think you will get accurate info here or anywhere else unless Denon provides some numbers like units sold vs issues reported.
Typically people who have issues tend to come to forums and seek help and vent. when you look at any product out there, the majority of the happy customers don’t come to leave positive feedback. Having said that, you can gauge what people share based on their experiences but again keep what I suggest above in mind. I had CDJs for 10 years and never any issues. I think I’ve had my SC5000 for 2 years and I have not had any issues with my Denons’ either.
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My sc5000’s were gigged with every Saturday for a year. They got dropped a couple times. I used soft bags to transport em. They survived baggage handlers and cue button mashers. I second what @Shain mentioned.
Go to Facebook search. Type in sc5000 to see what everyone posts about em publicly outside of the forum.
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The problem there is that no other makers give out their stats of xx players failed out of xxxxx. So denon probsbly won’t either.
Also a denon forum will be a magnet for denon problems , a pioneer forum with be a magnet for pioneer problems etc and any mention of brand x on any brand y forum will barely get screen space.
Just safe to assume that nothing is perfect, nothing is rubbish. Everything usually lasts when it’s treated like a piece of electronic gear, and anything will fall to bits if treated like a shovel load of bricks
What changes the odds in primes favour however, in my opinion, is Denons Engine OS (operating system) which is used in every model of prime, not just one model. So when denon add a new feature to Engine OS then none of the prime model should get left behind. That’s quite unique
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