have a look at the threads i linked above. all of that has been proven over and over again by different people. and in doubt you can still do the 128kbps mp3 test.
I had the same problems when playing out via analog ports. They sound much sharper to me via digital output on my Xone DB2. I’d have returned mine if I didn’t have a digital mixer.
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[quote=“Wyley1, post:24, topic:29439”] Usb audio, from all the mixers that I’ve owned, output higher than the line ins. Just the way it has always been. It would be a far stretch to call it an issue since the purpose of a mixer is to level your audio
Correct, this is not the issue (and there is a issue let’s be honest). Different sources have different output levels (even between brands of multimedia players) and that is the whole reason for gain knobs on dj mixers.
But, I always like to read such posts because it does tell you the level of knowledge a person posseses
I understand this & didn’t ever proclaim to have any high level of knowledge, just trusting what I hear. I understand that difference sources output levels though, if plug a turntable into an amplifier it’s always going to be a lower output for example, but what I am referring to is not just volume output, when I have to to turn the gain up so much it is almost red lining & still doesn’t retain any of the sound characteristics & details of Xone 96 internal sound, then to me something is seriously wrong…
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I had mine connected to a 92 for a bit and while I did notice a slight drop in perceivable loudness, the gain didn’t need to bring the signal into the reds to correct. Have you tested another line level source and is this behavior consistent after the mixer is on for an hour +?
I don’t really have don’t any other line source I can test, only vinyl through the phono inputs, which is obviously lower output & normal for phono input, but I didn’t need to take the gain past 12 O’clock with vinyl.
I just realised I have a Native Instruments Komplete Audio 6 interface in my cupboard somewhere that has a digital input, it’s not the greatest sounding thing, but may give me some idea of comparing the digital & analog signals coming from the SC6000, would I need to buy a digital cable or can I get away with using the provided analog cables that come with the unit? Very surprising that Denon don’t give you a digital cable with the SC6000…
exactly, so called digital cables are the same just with better specs. for more see Recommendation digital cable
Thank you Joxani
Can I ask a stupid question?
I have never connected anything via digital output before, but I have connected the digital output on the SC6000 into the digital input SPDIF on my Komplete Audio 6 interface, then I am taking two RCA outputs from the audio interface into the line in, on the XONE 96 mixer & there is no signal at all, am I doing something wrong?
sure 
so far so good
yep
did you connect the soundcard via usb? such cards don’t run on their own.
you might also have to set the channel of the card you’re using to “through” or “bypass” mode.
Yeah, connected by USB, did some research & had to set my Mac to external clock S/PDIF as the clock source, which at least made the SPDIF light on the interface light up, it made bugger all difference though, still no signal, there doesn’t seem to be a bypass or through mode though
does that card have a control panel? or some other kind of software for the settings?
No it doesn’t, it’s all good, thank you for trying to help, I’m probably clutching at straws anyway.
I am going to send an email to the store That I got it from & see if they make any suggestions, I’m not sure anything can be done though & in all honesty I think I will be returning the SC6000, it’s disappointing because I had to wait 6 months for stock to finally arrive & I love the player in nearly every other way, but for $2499 retail price in Australia, that’s a lot of money for a media player with sub-standard sound…
no doubt. especially considering that the cdjs had proper sound since 2006. at least if you used the digital out.
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I wanted to stay away from Pioneer, they are massively overpriced for what you get & the SC6000 seemed to have it’s measure in almost every way, but would be curious to know if anyone here is using them & if they have had any of the same issues?
I read that the CDJ 2000 was basically delivering the source through digital out without getting in the way & sounded great, but apparently the 3000 is doing something similar to the Denon & messing with the audio, I could be wrong though…
correct. cdjs starting with the 1000 mk3 deliver a bit-perfect representation via digital outs. keylock or master tempo as it’s called by pioneer not considered of course. so if you keep keylock off and use the digital out with a cdj from the 1000 mk3 to the 2000nxs2, you get exactly whatever the original file provides. the quality of the analog outs varies of course and so does the keylock quality. overall the nxs2 is the best sounding dj player to date because the 3000, as you mentioned, resamples everything by default. so the nxs2’s position at the top is not likely to change in the near future.
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I absolutely don’t want to offend anyone or start any “sound war”, but isn’t the quality of the audio file itself much more important?
For example, even if I use uncompressed or lossless files, the quality is so different… some sound great, some are just loud and mastered to death, some sound just awful (even lossless originals from Beatport & co…) I’ve always felt that much more as an important factor.
And then it goes on with the PA. When I think about, how often I’ve experienced lousy PA’s in clubs (including our own). Poorly set up, poor quality… I have really experienced many good DJs in my life, but how often the PA was just crap!! Once in Dresden, Paul van Dyk, it was just terribly loud, you couldn’t hear any melody or vocals anymore, plus a beastly time shift through the hall - and that’s just ONE example. If we talk about techno… nobody really cares, neither the “technicians” nor the DJs nor the guests. I mean, with that background, this discussion sometimes seems a bit funny, as if you were in the hi-fi forum. Apart from that… of course it is interesting and necessary to discuss the sound quality of the devices and I also like to participate in it. The only question is how relevant it all is in the end.
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neither is more or less important. if the file is crap it’ll sound crappy and if the playback device is crap it’ll sound crappy as well.
and the same goes for everything else you mentioned. the weakest link of a chain dictates the final quality.
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You’ve brought some logic to this regurgitated topic. In the older posts of the forum I see that the first prime, the sc5000 was out for over a year before anyone said anything about a high end roll off. That in itself speaks volumes. And then the posts show denon improved what was already very good sound anyway with some firmware, improving the high end still further. Dance floors won’t notice anything lacking, streaming from home certainly won’t.
It’s fine for DJs already but If denon can pacify the audiophiles by offering a higher end frequency mode which has a less modern pitch key adjust functionality as a compromise, it would help.
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that says nothing. to begin with it takes a while before enough units are sold. also not all customers have higher standards. some even use vdj and are happy 
then there’s the group of potential customers who noticed it and didn’t buy the players because of that. from this group you’re not gonna hear or read anything. also not to forget the group of customers who simply returned the unit without posting here. i know of 2 people who did that and i’m just one single guy so do the math.
gotta be kidding me. did you ever hear early engine os versions?
i remember a guy posting here that the club owner asked him what was wrong with the sound when he brought his denons. in doubt use the forum search.
it will if it’s at least at 128kbps. read above regarding the mp3 test.
this is miles away from audiophilism 
not having whole parts of the frequency range cut off should be taken for granted when it comes to the flagship player.
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This always sounds so dramatic, like the units sound like my mother’s old kitchen radio. Do you listen to classical music with these? 
When I look at my music collection… maybe 10% of my music (mainly techno and trance) is mastered in a way that you can talk about “quality”. The rest is just mainly loud and makes noise.
IF we really want to open this discussion, we need to talk to real hifi nerds. And they laugh at both the CDJ-3000 and the SC-6000.
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We are not talking about club set-ups here, I am to old to go to clubs these days & I remember some terrible systems, massively overblown bass & not much else.
I kind of get over people calling you an audiophile because you like good sound, you are pigeon holing someone, if you take some time to listen to quality Hi-Fi equipment, you will understand just how good music can sound, it takes something that is already enjoyable to another level, completely different experience.
I was merely making the comparison between my previous set-up to the SC6000 & my ears told me straight away, I don’t care about the science or the numbers or anything like that, it’s irrelevant when you can clearly here an audible difference, it didn’t know about any previous posts about this, I started this post rather naively as it is my first ever Denon Dj product & the first media player I have ever purchased…
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