@STU-C: Not sure if I get your point.
Commenting on customer’s requests does not make sense for a company?
And for my second statement you probably misunderstood me.
For me it is a bread and butter functionality to have two waveforms stackable.
I can get any cheap standalone device like the DDJ-FLX4 (less than 300€) and have two tracks stacked in the software (e.g. Serato).
What I - and obviously a lot of other people - would like to see is that this feature comes to the Denon flagship players we own.
If you don’t need it, don’t want it, don’t understand it or whatever… that is OK.
No DJ gear, or even Software company ever makes statements about unreleased features on their device, they never have done and never will. So you asking for one is an unusual request, you not understanding the point doesn’t make what i say incorrect.
And yet again, you’re another person falling into this trap about midi controllers. The FLX4 doesn’t do anything outside of being a dumb midi box that sends commands to a piece of laptop software. Laptop software encapsulates all of tis GUI into a single screen, therefore allowing the use of stacked waveforms. Denon SC-6000s are used in ‘pairs’ as they are separate standalone devices. I have a feeling you know all this and you are being purposefully disingenuous to put some ridiculous point across that doesn’t make sense.
Currently on the standalone media player market, only one single device has the feature you are looking for, and currently they retail for £4299 a pair.
Yes I want that feature too and it’s the reason I taking my Prime4 with me for almost every gig instead of the 5000s but saying it’s a widely available feature just isn’t true.
To make it comparable to it would be like a stacked waveform on 2 different laptops.
For example:
DJ Laptop 1 with FLX4 and DJ2 Laptop with FLX6 and now DJ1 has DJ2s waveform shown on his laptop and DJ2 has the waveform from DJ1 shown on his.
So no neither RB, Serato, Traktor, VDJ or Djay Pro offer this right now.
The only real comparable option are CDJ3000s.
Pionner guys somehow don’t expect to get new features on old hardware.
They wouldn’t have a reason to buy new one every few years if pioneer would behave like Denon.
Yes indeed, i saw a Facebook thread earlier from some of them, mocking the new 4.0 interface. It was an Opus Quad user group and it came across as quite snobby for a group of people who still cant access Streaming services on their 3 grand controller.
I can only guess here, but as i said above i think the dual layer function of the Denon devices might be playing a part in why this stacked waveforms feature is more difficult to roll out than we might think.
I would argue that the sc5000 screen is way too small to house this in a usable fashion and or the HW in the unit can’t add this feature without a compromise elsewhere. I’m sure they’ve entertained the idea and looked at it and didn’t like the results. It is however probably more feasible in the sc6000 however, to implement it there they would have to create a fork between the software that is in the 5000 versus the 6000. All of in music only has a revenue of 157 million a year. I’m sure their development team is limited and creating a fork and adding dependencies to their software stack is probably just too costly to invest the time needed to get something like this to work. Realistically, they can probably take a better look at this when they kill off development for the 5000.
If you really need this feature, use an external tool that has a bigger screen.
I mean let’s call stacked waveforms what it is. It’s visual sync and is not really needed on pro class gear… if you need to auto sync in some fashion, go ahead an hit that button like a rock star. No judgement.
Yes there is HW differences, but do you think drives a code change between the two decks? Its like two lines of code for if SC5000 Bluetooth = false… Something like sharing the information between two devices is a bigger deal. As a guess, sharing that info between the decks would also effect how Engine Connect works, and would require a change there. We don’t have access to the code, so I can’t look at it and see what is going on there, but I would be willing to bet that this thing was written as a monolith vs broken down into microservices(a guess based off the time the SC5000 was released and how long it was in development and what app development mostly look like at the time). If a monolith, a simple change in one spot can have huge cascading effects all over the place in the code and can easily break other dependencies. In this case, as a guess, namely with how Engine Connect works. I know what you are asking for seems simple enough, but often time, complex demands are expressed in simple forms all the while remaining complex. I know that these set ups are not cheap by any stretch of the imagination, but also the market to who they can sell these things to is also relatively small and that leaves to limited profitability, and thus a small dev team that only has so much time in the day. I will straight up tell you, if InMusic was a public company, we would not be seeing the investment and support into legacy products that are 5 years old like we have been. I get the feeling that Denon does care, actively listening and trying their best with the limited resources they have.
Nah he’s just messing with you, nothing too serious.
You make plenty of great points, well explained, don’t worry about it.
I will say on the firmware front that there are lots of little differences between the units if you start rooting through. I think we will start to see some proper splits between the devices moving forward too, so it’s much more individual.
