Same thing coming soon from alpha theta

I don’t entirely agree.

If you’re in the Rekordbox or Serato ecosystem, that’s probably the case. But nothing prevents you from using software other than the one provided by default. VirtualDJ, for example, works with 99% of controllers on the market (over 500 compatible models). It’s just that users generally stick with whatever software came with the device.

For example, I use a 2x LC6000 combo with a Kontrol Z2 as controllers, and I can use it just as well with VirtualDJ, Traktor, Serato, or even DJay Pro.

Each system has its strengths and weaknesses, its pros and cons.

Standalone products have the advantage of being able to eliminate the need for a PC completely (for classic mixing, I mean), but they’re usually equipped with fairly old CPUs/SoCs with modest performance to keep production costs under control and maintain a reasonable final price.

The downside is that a standalone unit will never have the processing and computing power of a laptop with a modern CPU/GPU.

Another disadvantage of standalone gear is that it’s locked to its own onboard hardware, which, as mentioned above, isn’t cutting edge. Controllers, on the other hand, are basically big remote controls that send MIDI/HID messages to software — and they use the power of the laptop.

With a powerful PC (like a gaming laptop) in the €800–1000 range, you have a big performance cushion, allowing you to keep up with new, demanding features without being held back by the hardware.

Worst case, you just replace your laptop every 10 years to keep enjoying the latest software features without having to replace your controller.

From a strictly pragmatic and rational point of view, the controller/laptop combo is far more future-proof than a standalone setup.

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CDJ-3000X. More expensive of course. Rumored for stems integration.

@Reese

Stem integration is unclear.

Integrated in what way? Like Denon does today with pre-analysis in rekordbox? Or will the player have enough processing power to do this on the fly without pre-analysis?

Knowing Pioneer/AT and their love of cutting costs to generate the biggest possible margin, I’d bet more on the first option…

And they would just be catching up with Denon…

So I could be wrong, but I’m not predicting anything revolutionary, innovative, or exciting…

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Don’t know specifics. It’s all rumor about stems and other features

Name and higher price is a certainty.

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Consider what we’ve had so far…

Denon DJ gave standalone stems a shot on the Prime 4+ (dropped the idea eventually, but it was worth a try).

Akai actually did it standalone with their MPCs - OK it’s far from quick and doesn’t compare in quality to their desktop, but the CPU is I believe the same as the Prime units.

Native Instruments are looking at feasibility for their Maschine+ standalone unit.

Ableton have just added stems to Live 12.3 - and also on the standalone Push 3.

I think we might be getting pretty close, if not actually there with whatever Alfie Fetus has coming.

… like they’re going to add a slot-load drive to play actual CDs? :optical_disk:

Who still plays CDs these days?

Of course, some people may play CDs occasionally or in a specific context (radio, etc.).

But let’s be honest, why would a manufacturer bother integrating a CD player in 2025 when 98% of people no longer use one? Especially since manufacturers are trying to cut unnecessary costs to increase margins and economies of scale.

Oh, they probably will.

But I bet you a case of French champagne that if they do it, it will be pre-rendering on a computer, like what Denon currently does in Engine. And if they ever do it in real time, it will be of low quality (with Zplane’s STEM 1.0 algorithm). And we’ll get a result roughly comparable to what the Prime 4+ public beta did if the stems are done on the fly.

AT will never put a CPU as powerful as an M1 or a Dimensity 9400 in its players; they prefer to put a $50 CPU and make more profit.

They will buy those other processors because trying to purchase something as powerful as an M chip in the volumes they need (not many) would be astronomical…. Brands like Apple negotiate huge discounts due to the sheer volume they are ordering, not many companies are afforded that power, especially not those making niche DJ gear in the thousands.

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Yes, standards have fallen …

… but just imagine: rolling into the booth with a spindle of Verbatim CD-Rs like it’s 2003. Instant legend status. :smiling_face_with_sunglasses:

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Just buy vinyl, way cooler than any CD, and lots of booths still have the means to play them.

a slight evolution as I said…

It seems a bit wider with a bigger screen than the 3000. SD card in the front.

Anyway, won’t be buying. :wink:

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Alphatheta - the art of creating hype out of nothing.

The worst thing is that they still have their old loop system inherited from the CDJ 500… still no loop encoder…

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Has it got a posher/more feature packed jog display?

The world is screaming for affordable separates and they stick £100 onto their already extortionate CDJ. It’s the stuff of dreams lol.

Can’t wait to see all their brand fetishists losing their mind over the removal of ‘pioneer’ from the back, it’s their equivalent of buying a plain Vivienne Westwood T-shirt.

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Don’t be mean, Stu! They did add an X after the 3000, the printing costs are expensive… It’s well worth the $100 increase.

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Hahaha yeah, it’s going to be interesting to see what the X portion relates to, we here in InMusic world have the + for our slightly incremental revision of the OG version.

No joke though, t’internet (as we say in Yorkshire) is going to lose it if this is just a minor update after 5yrs, the trolling will be epic. Although you can guarantee it’s also going to negatively impact this forum when whatever inane feature they add that isn’t on our devices becomes the next ‘can’t live without’ thing we’ll have to endure until the end of time.

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CDJ-3000X?! What happened to MK2 thru 9?

AT is so brave.

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Well… take a +, rotate it slightly, and distort it… you get an X…

So either they’re really lacking inspiration and have copied InMusic again, trying not to be too noticeable…

Or Elon Musk bought Alphatheta shares…

They may have added a wifi chipset and are going to sell it as if it were the innovation of the century.

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I’m going full conspiracy here, Elon Musk has become major shareholder, demanded the X being added to naming convention and the new feature will be both his and your favourite tech house DJs gear of choice that begins with K, feeding out from the new led lit slot on the front, in a perfect line.

(apologies if some of this skirts the limit of the forum rules Reese).

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