Powerful system but no aesthetics

Without doubt, Engine system is powerful. But it is a pity that a powerful system is built on hardware with no aesthetics.

I think inMusic Group needs to replace the entire design team first.

I don’t quite understand how much they love green and always use green. Until the SC LIVE series, Prime 4 plus, there was a slight change, but overall it was still not very beautiful. The ugly appearance is the reason why they lost to Pioneer, Take a look at European (NI, A&H) and Japanese(Pioneer) designs, come on! Make your products more refined

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Really? I always thought a CDJ1000 had more or less exactly the same color scheme as a DN-2100F: black and a screen with white dots. Didn’t Denon lose already in 2001 to Pioneer because Pioneer invented the jog wheel, marketed this quite aggressively into clubs, and on top of that came with USB stick DJing on the height of their monopoly so they could lock in their users into Rekordbox when moving away from CDs?? Don’t make bold statements here :wink:

Yeah, the green, not the biggest fan of that color, but then again, the crowd doesn’t see my displays…

Poor troll attempt, 2/10, must try harder.

Surely this blatant bait needs to be locked? Absolute waste of forum space.

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I really like the green, always have since I first got the SC5000s

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I really like the green, white, blue color scheme. A nice distinction from the other brands.

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This is called a visual identity.

Maybe you don’t like the brand’s choice of colors, that’s obviously your right, but other people may like this choice too. Personally I like it, I prefer the old green-white-blue to the new white-blue-red of the new units such as prime 4+. White is tiring as a first level main color, but is quite suitable for a second level intermediate color

Besides Pioneer was very inspired by Denon for its recent products such as V10 which use amber-white-red where they took white as an intermediate color. They also took amber for coherence in their 3-band waveform as Denon had done with green.

Amber is a warmer color than green and even more white which gives a cold side. Warm colors generally appeal to more people than cold colors

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I was never a big fan of large green amounts, but this topic is still a bit silly. Denon wouldn’t have conquered all venue riders within a few months just by using with a different color. There were some flaws and issues in the software (especially on the desktop side) during the first years, though Engine really began to flex its muscles starting at v2.0 - since then, all reviewers list EngineDJ as a clear positive point.

More importantly, ‘superstar’ DJs are often lazy and prefer to be stuck in their known environment, rather than trying out something new. The whole convenience of the Rekordbox Export->Insert->play (aka vendor lock-in) is the major reason, why we still see CDJ3000s in the clubs, not the colors. Overpriced Guetta + overpriced gear = perfect match.

Coincidentally, I was musing about exactly this topic a few days ago, and noticed something: Pioneer has always managed to render their marketing images incredibly well. Their products looked as good as they did in real life, so you knew what you get. I remember this well from my own CDJ-200/400/850/900 era. Denon, on the other hand, did some poor choice with their renders of the SC5000 and OG Prime 4, like setting the jog ring LEDs to that garish green or using different cover arts in the jog displays left+right, giving it a cheaper look overall, the color temperature seemed also a bit off. However, in real life, a SC5000, and a Prime 4 look absolutely sleek, and not much different to a CDJ, RX or XZ unit.

The more recent product images have also improved dramatically. So the “no aesthetics” argument is invalid.

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There has clearly been an obvious evolution on all the models released after the sc6000. The design has become much more sober and elegant today which pleases professionals more.

The very colorful design of the sc5000 has never bothered me or given a feeling of cheap equipment, but it is sure that it was rather intended to please the general public fan of all these RGB things that flash everywhere, from PCs to Bluetooth speakers.

And I think that it is this bling-bling side that professionals did not like, many have certainly simply seen it and simply said to themselves that it looked like a toy and were not interested in it any more.

I wouldn’t be surprised if the next troll-mail is to coke cola… hey, I don’t like that angry red colour you use. Still, look on the bright (red) side, it wasn’t some firmware beggar threatening to chop their own head off if amazing free stems isn’t brought out for every model, by next Tuesday.

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just looking at the images there…is it just me, the greeness seems to be coming from the waveforms …thats where my eyes went to first.

The day they implement RGB i’m switching to it.

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Yeah, every DJ in the world loves Engine, but happens to hate the color green more. Tough luck.

Joke aside, I think the SC6000 is much prettier and cleaner than the CDJ3000, and the GUI when going from Denon to Pioneer is like going from OSX Sequoia to Windows 95.

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Well, i never really understood why a VU meter had to change color from the default green/yellow/red which was standard for about 50 years. Use brand colours everywhere you like, but to me, a good VU is green/yellow/red. Call me conservative if you want :wink: . Traktor did this too on their Kontrol units, which was a quite unusable VU (although that had more to do with only having one LED above 0dB)

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I quite agree with you

The old classic green-orange-red VU meters did the job perfectly.

I think that these days each manufacturer tries to have its own color combination on the VU meters, as a kind of visual signature to immediately identify which manufacturer it is. This is probably part of the manufacturer’s branding strategy.

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No doubt about that, but how is form more important than function on a pro device??

I think replacing coloured buttons with black buttons that light up green and blue made a huge difference. It looks much cleaner by losing the colours while still functioning the same.

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Oh dear. It has an aesthetic, just one you don’t like. images

As long as the form does not negatively impact the function I do not think it is a problem.

If a manufacturer can distinguish itself from others by a visual signature without degrading the function that suits me.

Then it is a question of taste (and colors)

It is like in terms of car design, some prefer taut lines and others rounded designs. It is a personal preference.

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I’ve recently decided that I’m not going to Tesco anymore as I don’t like the blue with red trim everywhere.

Looks like it’s Waitrose from now on with its green branding throughout. Unfortunately I won’t get to see people who don’t like green branding there but at least it’s full of toffs in gillets and red chinos buying sourdough and fig chutney for Chloe and Sebastian’s artisan lunch.

Absolutely this.

I believe this topic goes nowhere. OP started it 8 hours ago which I think adds nothing to this community and he even hasn’t responded to it himself either.

Marking this as “solved”…

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