Playlists Suddenly Disappeared – Prime 4+ Crash During Gig (Engine DJ 4.3.1)

I could try that. Is there any tutorial how to do it?

Just remove your ssd, add some tracks to a usb via engine dj on the computer and then attach the usb to your device and test.

Just to get one possibility out of the way - do you by any chance use SoundSwitch? Or is that option even enabled in settings on the controller? It should be in the Services tab

Just an early comment - it would seem, for those who have given some detail - that a common denominator seems to be the lazy/eazy link, using the wifi to connect engine on a laptop to the decks - that needs the prime and the laptop to be on the same wifi as each other.

Some users mentioned being on streaming services at the same time. I could see how the wifi signal throughout could get overly busy with both the streaming services and the laptop link - perhaps someone could try running engine link for hours without streaming services, and separately (a different day) run streaming services for hours without engine wifi link

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I was connected to WiFi with a Phone but not with Laptop Link and I didn’t use soundswitch.

Just to clarify: I’m sure I could eventually reproduce the issue, but it would probably require running the system in continuous use for 6–7 hours, which is quite hard to do on the side outside of actual gigs.

It only happened once over a long period, so I suspect it’s tied to very specific gig conditions. That’s why I believe there may be a bug somewhere in the software, and ideally Denon would run long-term stability tests to catch these kinds of edge cases.

I totally see the value in testing, and I’m sharing all the info I can to support the dev team.

Maybe it can have also something to do with the power on that location? High amplitude voltage drops on the power line? Amps can handle that (have big caps to compensate), but more delicate computer based systems can run in to some issues. 6 hours test is very extensive, but it is not a bad idea to have once in a while a fresh export of new data base to keep things clean and running smoothly. Just a recommendation, not a must :slight_smile:

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Or a particular track either loaded or in search results.

There was an incorrectly tagged track on beatport or soundcloud a couple of years back , which had an erroneous duration tag, claiming the track was 180 minutes long and all sorts of systems, from hifi units to laptops and media players fell over even if the track was only within search results , not sctualled loaded/cued ready to play

Hi There , I had a similar issue last weekend with my Prime 4+. What is striking, is that it also happened after multiple hours of power-ON time, with a playlist in ‘continous’ mode for background music. Then when starten DJ’ing: 2 hours or so in the set, unit crashes and reboots from itself.

One novelty is that i used a new USB drive (not for the first time) and it was formatted as ExFAT. Before i alsways used SD cards or another stick in FAT32 format mode.

The new usb is larger, so jitter due to vibration is possible as opposed to the SD cards i used to use.

I don’t remember if the unit is updated to 4.3.1 as it is in a flightcase elsewhere. but it does have STEMs for sure.

Never had the issue before. For next weekend i will be using the former USB stick (FAT32) and reboot before i start my set.

Do you have FAT32 formatted on your memory devices?

I just got an idea of what can possibly be causing it, but I need confirmation from everyone with this issue if they’ve been using Apple Music / have it enabled in services - this might have something to do with Apple Music DRM requirement in update 4.3.1, so the issues causing it might be as follows:

  1. DRM feature puts a lot of pressure on CPU after some time
  2. DRM feature causes crashing after using computer mode I guess this might happen even with Apple Music being turned off

just as a side note, i forwarded this thread via mail to the developers/support team as this needs attention instantly. I’m nervous for my 2 DJ sets this weekend - having to set up backup plans (ie. 2nd unit hotswap)

I checked and im still on 4.2 ! White prime4+

Beautifully built into the white console. A super elegant setup.

Meanwhile, since you’re on 4.2.1 these crashes are likely to have a variety of causes. Or, maybe 4.3 has inherited the bug. Let’s hope the developers will take a deep dive. It’s not easy when layers and layers of changes have been added onto software that supports the newest units and tries to be backwards compatible.