Looks like they have been hit with the usual ‘low end gear’ cripple hammers, that make them pretty unusable outside of basic mixing, regardless of the 300 things they managed to plug into it on the promo.
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I can’t spot any significant differences or upgrades compared to my Xone:23, aside the obvious fact they got rid of those silly ‘ears’ and a Mini-Inno is now built-in as standard for the CF. The Mic-socket is now a combo one, but they removed the dual Gain pods. And still no proper Snd/Rtn.
But at least compact 2ch-mixers still get some attention.
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Line refresh without Andy at the wheel. It feels like a die and PCB dump much like the Ecler Warm line.
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Master insert is there - on such mixer, that is more than enough.
Is the interface class compliant?
Yes. It is class compliant 
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It’s not master insert in the sense that people think it is, it’s RCA connections for a start so not making use of the TRS system deployed on MS, Union Audio and higher end A&H mixers.
It’s essentially just adding effects to the master output, so useless for anyone wanting to say echo out a track to play another.
When will one of these companies do a reasonably priced mixer with DVS and proper internal FX. We have the awful sounding, non-class compliant DJM-450 at £700 a pop and that’s it.
As a R&D Engineer in stage industry, I can tell you, it is very hard to meet the criteria you throw in.
You need to be aware of the following costs: Components (200$) , R&D time (let’s say a year of development) 45000$, various prototypes - 300$ each unit, certification and lab testing time can be up to 20000$, then beta testing units (300-400$ each), software development - another 20-40K$, add marketing, boxes design, supply chain potential issues and shipping costs, and of course sales margins. You can hardly end up with a mixer that will cost below 1000$ that will even the costs out within 2 years, and be close to Xone 24 with internal FX DSP, class compliant (usb C also requires licensing - it is not free, and EU “asks” all manufacturers to implement usb c port if usb is present on the device). And on top of that, company that builds the mixer needs to make money.
So far only company I could think of making such mixer would be behringer. But life span of these mixers would be as long as a disposable tissues.
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Lets hope inMusic comes to it’s senses and finally upgrades the mixer line with replacment for X1850 and a 2ch model that would be equivalent to the old X600:
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Id pay the DJM-450 price if it was class compliant and had USB-C power delivery.
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Yeah we 100% need something like that, im hoping Reloop have something in the works for their new 7" decks, so far they’ve been advertising them with other brands mixers, or their own extremely limited RMX-22i
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X600 was sold for $750 when released while X1600 was around 1100 (if I remember things correctly).
Both of those prices include about 200ish of NI Traktor support (NI charged per unit produced) and once it was released NI said no for X600 (they had Z2 prepared to release).
It was made in Japan.
I don’t believe when someone says there is no money in 2ch mixers for manufacturers - yes, there is LESS but if they want my money they better keep that line of product alive.
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The recent ‘2 decks and a mixer’ revival should provide even more motivation for companies to produce good 2 channel mixers.
The DJM-S7 would be ideal but im waiting for USB-C PD support… its also a little bit expensive at £1300.
Anyone finding it slightly weird that these haven’t been sat with reviewers? Mojaxx posted that he is looking forward to getting his hands on one.
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That’s influencer speak for “I have one but imma’ pretend I don’t”.
I dunno, he normally has his review ready for the announcement…. He usually says stuff like that when he hasn’t had something.
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Not interested. Now, a DB3 and DB6 based on their proprietary 96 bit fixed point / 96khz low-throughput-latency dLive pro concert boards, with like 5 and 8 rear channels matrixed to 3 and 6 channels respectively on top I could be down with, especially if they have a split cue switch or button that’s not hidden in a damn menu. Hell, a DB4v2 based on the dLive with a physical split cue control would even be sufficient, but the DB2 and DB4 are still state of the art and work perfectly fine for those number of channels. The iLive is legacy they’re not really producing new units of at this point, though, and they need to compete with the likes of the V10 and soon to be V5, me thinks. For the DJ scene A&H is usually thought of as analog experts, but in the pro live scene they are at the top of the heap for digital concert front of house stuff. They should be leveraging the ish out of that.
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New Union Audio “Signature Series” mixers at ADE on the 22nd…
Stunning design on those.
Just found these guys too: