Mixing with Key ...how to highlight?

Hi guys, I’m new to the denon world, with two sc6000 players, but I have a problem that I can’t solve. I play a lot using the musical key, I come from the traktor world and the rekordbox world, where compatible songs are highlighted by colors on the keys. In rekordbox they are even highlighted all of them in a nice bright green. now, I saw that engine, colors each key differently, puts similar colors, on adjacent keys, but does not highlight the linked tones. Is there a way to fix this thing in your opinion? why have they never implemented this function in denon? There are useless functions for most club DJs, and then a function like this is not there? or like the ability to map the pads on the player. they put the loops or the slicer twice, which is useless, and then they don’t put the effects on the pads. In your opinion, will they implement these things in the future?

What do you mean by that?

Slicer useless? I use it a lot - one of the best features to chop up synths or vocals on the fly. Slicer is not twice, there are 2 types of slicer. A slicer that follows the track (blue) and looped (green).

Map the pads to what? They have their functions already. You can save loops and hot cues to any pad you want in their proper modes.

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Hi, you can use the ‘match’ function to filter out compatible keys. This can either be direct compatible or fuzzy keys depending on your setting.

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Yeah, as @STU-C suggested, “Match” is a very wonderful feature. In addition to adjusting how you match Key, you can match BPM and Genre. I use Playlists to separate out my Genre, so I don’t use it within Match, but it’s a really cool option that’s there if you do need it.

I also really appreciate how easy it is to toggle Match on and off. I can keep it on most of the time, but turn it off if I want to find something out of key to then keyshift into place.

I don’t prepare my sets, but often times I start with knowing a track I want to listen to, and load it onto the decks. One trick I use to get Match working before I play my first track is to load that first track, and then press the BPM on the loaded track to force it to become the “Master”. Once I do that, only compatible tracks are shown, which helps me to find a good track to play with it and get started more quickly. Might be silly but I wanted to point this out in case it helps someone.

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My low-tech solution was to print the Camelot wheel and tape it to my monitors :rofl:

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I use both systems… it helps sometimes :slight_smile:

Is it actually possible to match with pitched keys?

The music I play creates a lot of artifacts when I have keylock on, so I usually keep it off. My sc6000 shows the key at the current bpm, but in the library the original key is shown. It would be nice to have some setting to show songs in pitched key or have the match feature match with pitched keys.

Have you tried it to see how it works? Move the pitch fader on your decks up and down and see if the library updates?

If it doesn’t, raise a feature request for it.

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Moin,

I often use the “Key Lock / Key Sync” pad in combination with “Key” on the touch screen when mixing. It’s not a problem to start the function and match the tracks.

But I have major problems to come back to the original key of a track. Tapping “Shift” and “Key Lock” simultaneously I can handle.

But jerking back to original key on the downbeat at the moment when the new track is running solely sounds mostly like roughing up a dog or cat.

I tried different ways (e.g. hot cue, FX which stops the passing track and so on) but always the interrupt of / combination with “SHIFT” and “Key Lock” simultaneously disturbes all my attempts.

Does anybody here please know a way or a trick to return back smoothly to the original key of a song?

Any assistance is highly appreciated and many thanks in advance.

Brgds BeatMaster

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The best I’ve come up with for returning to the original key is to tap where it displays the track’s key in the loaded deck, and press the - or + button to step it back to the original key. While I try to only play a track with one key adjustment, this has the benefit of allowing you to make the jump in two steps, instead of a single step, which can be less drastic, as well as frees up my other hand to be able to perform other tasks simultaneously. Seems to work pretty well sometimes in a quiet part of the track, with a little FX sprinkled over top. Like Scale/Pitch Down and a bit of Wash.


In terms of finding/matching tracks, I do think it would be nice if alongside the “Exact”, “Near” and “No” matching, we could also select “One Key Shift”, allowing us to see any tracks that if shifted a single time, would match the currently playing key.

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Moin @meLon_Cucumis,

thanks for your reply and your advise.

It’s a nice / professional tool, but always tricky and high risk.

If I remember well, once I started a perfomance request, but never heard about. I will look for it, and if I will find it back, I will insert the link here.

Thanks again and happy beatmatching

Brgds BeatMaster

This post I found roughly in this matter

https://community.enginedj.com/t/harmonic-mixing/49010

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Personally I’ve never shifted a track back to the original key once I’ve changed it.

If I need to shift a track to match it with something, then I either make sure it’s already in a compatible key or I’ll shift it just 1 notch up or down. Then I leave it there & pick my next track based on where it is now - IF I mix in key (because it’s not always needed).

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Moin @PKthe DJ,

many thanks for your reply and the description of your workflow.

The workflow seems being practicable.

Phps. DENON may change this tool into a striped display, so that we can jump to any key and no longer change the key step by step :innocent:

Imo a feature request for this modification is here in the forum, but I can’t find it any longer.

Thanks again and happy beatmatching

Brgds BeatMaster